Re: WHAT HUMAN NEED TRIGERRED THE NEED OF A VOCAL-LEARNING ARTIFACT?

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 65393
Date: 2009-11-10

> I NEED TO COMPLE MYSELF because I think that this is the right direction:
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> 1.- the humans were in that times grouped in small families
> 2.- each family has a relative large territory under his ownership (in relation with his size)
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> ==> so they were grouped, somehow, like the Lions Families are grouped today
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> - but in contradiction with the strength of one Lion Family the Human Family has at that Moment in Time ====> SOME BIG ISSUES TO SURVIVE IN THIS ORGANIZATION
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> -> either the food started to be rare and very hard to be procured by the force of a Single Family, either the natural enemies of the Humans in that areal, started to be so many and so strong that a Human Family cannot fight against them, by his own....even all these things happened together that is usually the case when the natural ressources started to miss in one areal......
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> ==> SO THE SINGLE WAY FOR HUMANS TO SURVIVE IN THIS CONTEXT WAS TO ALLOW ONE FAMILY TO START TO COOPERATE WITH OTHER FAMILIES SITUATED IN DIFFERENT TERRITORIES.
> ==> BUT BECAUSE OF THE TERRITORIAL ORGANIZATION->ISOLATION OF THESE FAMILIES A COMPLEX COMMUNICATION SYSTEM HAS BECOME REALLY NECESSARY TO APPEAR, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE COMMUNICATION ACROSS RELATIVELY LARGE DISTANCES, SO ACCROSS DIFFERENT TERRITORIES OWNED BY DIFFERENT FAMILIES
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> THIS WAS THE NEED THAT REQUESTED THE APPEARENCE OF A VOCAL-LEARNING SYSTEM IN HUMANS
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> ---------------> It was a time of a mixed organization for Humans
> a) the territory of a single Human Family was preserved and remained large
> b) but the Humans Families needed to meet together, from time to time, finally in order to can survive --> this means --> in order to succeed in some delicate operations:
> - hunting (maybe the humans became hunters only at this moment too: remember one FOXP2 mutation is shared with the Carnivores) and
> - to can defend together against different natural enemies.
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I have just found this article that is in line with my above model:
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http://www.biology-online.org/articles/elephants_imitate_sounds_form.html

"It is exciting to see that African savannah elephants follow a pattern we've seen in other terrestrial and aquatic species capable of vocal learning, "Tyack said. "Vocal learning should also occur in other species where long-lived social bonds are based on individual relationships and
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"where members of a group separate and reunite over time."
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SO WHERE THE HUMAN FAMILY OF THAT TIMES
-- separate (on the Family Territorial Areal)
and
-- reunite (during the hunting and to fight against natural enemies) over time


Marius