Re: hound

From: dgkilday57
Message: 65262
Date: 2009-10-16

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > And add
> > > German Hetze "battue"
> > >
> > > > http://www.thefreedictionary.com/battue
> > > > (and hetzen "excite, goad")
> > >
> > > cf.
> > > http://www.dict.cc/german-english/jdn+hetzen.html
> > > http://www.dict.cc/german-english/ein+Tier+hetzen.html
> > > http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Hetzjagd.html
> > > http://tinyurl.com/yfakxj7
> >
> > According to Kluge <Hetze> and <Hatz> were formed in NHG from
> > <hetzen>, which goes back to OHG. He suggests a possible
> > connection with 'hate', which Koebler mentions (with a question
> > mark) and Pokorny (IEW 517) is lukewarm about; WGmc *hattjan would
> > then be based on the zero-grade *k^h2d-. The passage 'hate' >
> > 'chase' is rather shaky. Rather than *k^eh2d-, the root in
> > question may be *keh2d- or *keh1d- (IEW 516 'schaedigen, berauben,
> > verfolgen'), not well documented and the only normal grade is a
> > dubious pluperfect <ekeke:dei> in Hesychius; nevertheless WGmc
> > *hattjan 'cause to chase' would be regular and not require any
> > great semantic stretch.
>
> Try 'hunzen', now that you got your dictionaries open. It's supposedly from 'Hund', but AFAICS it's cognate with 'hunt'.

Kluge s.v. <hunzen>:

Ztw. nhd. zu Hund gebildet wie duzen, erzen, siezen zu du, Er, Sie, somit urspr. 'Hund nennen', dann 'jem. wie einen Hund behandeln'. So gehoert schwaeb. (ver)hundaasen 'miszhandeln' zum Scheltwort Hundaas. Daen. <hundse> stammt aus dem Nhd. Vgl. <verhunzen> [erst bei Causenmacher (Lpz. 1701) 62 "die Sache verhunzen"].

This seems to be the majority view. Friedrich Blatz, _Nhd. Grammatik_, Bd. I, S. 711-2 (1900) has more details:

Das Verbalsuffix -zen bildet Intensiva und Iterativa, ... dient daher auch zur Bezeichnung wiederholter Toene oder Laute, z.B. achzen (ach), ... siezen, duzen (mit du anreden) [auch mhd.], ihrzen [mhd. irzen]. ... Ob hunzen, verhunzen von Hund kommt oder slavischen Ursprungs ist, scheint zweifelhaft.

This suffix goes back to OHG, e.g. <blecchazzen> 'blitzen', cf. MDu <blicken> 'glaenzen'; <trophezzen> 'distillare', cf. <tropho:n>, NHG <tropfen>; <chahhazzen> 'ridere' = OE <ceahhettan>; also OE has <cohhettan> 'tussitare' from *cohhian, cf. ME <coughen>, MDu <kuchen> 'to cough'. The suffix is Common WGmc at least.

Several other scholars cite the possible Slavic source as Bohemian <huntowati> 'hunzen, zu Grunde richten, schlachten', though not all consider this plausible. Hardly anyone wants to derive <hunzen> from 'hunt'. It seems to me that a loanword might well have been paretymologized as a derivative of <Hund>, but without more digging I can say nothing about this <huntowati>.

DGK