Fw: Re: [tied] Re: Frankish origins

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "gknysh" <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> > >(TP) This is what Lucan has Caesar say on his arrival in Rome
> > > after having crossed the Rubicon in 49 BCE.
> > > ''tene, deum sedes, non ullo Marte coacti
> > > deseruere uiri? pro qua pugnabitur urbe?
> > > di melius, quod non Latias Eous in oras
> > > nunc furor incubuit nec iuncto Sarmata uelox
> > > Pannonio Dacisque Getes admixtus: habenti
> > > tam pauidum tibi, Roma, ducem fortuna pepercit,
> > > quod bellum ciuile fuit.'
> > > Pharsalia, Book III
> > > http://www.thelatin library.com/ lucan/lucan3. shtml
> > > which Riley
> > > http://tinyurl. com/ls8exo
> > > translates as
> > > " And have there been men, forced by no warfare, to
> > > desert thee, the abode of the Gods! For what city will they
> > > fight?
> > > The Gods have proved more favouring in that it is
> > > no Eastern fury that now presses upon the Latian shores,
> > > nor yet the swift Sarmatian in common with the Pannonian,
> > > and the Getans mingled with the Dacians. Fortune, Borne,
> > > has spared thee, having a chief so cowardly [Pompey], in that
> > > the warfare was a civil one."
> > >
> > > GK: Does nothing for your thesis. Merely "supports" Harmatta's
> > > view that the Sarmatians were across from Pannonia (he thinks),
> > > although frankly, it doesn't even do that.
> >
> > ****GK: Lucan may simply have projected the situation of 59/60 CE
> > (when Sarmatians were indeed located just across Pannonia on the
> > Danube) back to 49 BCE.
>
> True, Vannius' war would have given the spectacle of Germani joined
> in common operations with Pannonian Sarmatians.

Tacitus, Annals,

12,29
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/tac/a12020.htm

'ipsi manus propria pedites, eques a Sarmatis Iazugibus erat, impar multitudini hostium, eoque castellis sese defensare bellumque ducere statuerat.'

"Vannius's own native force was infantry, and his cavalry was from the Iazyges of Sarmatia; an army which was no match for his numerous enemy. Consequently, he determined to maintain himself in fortified positions, and protract the war."


12,30
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/tac/a12030.htm

'Igitur degressus castellis Vannius funditur proelio, quamquam rebus adversis laudatus quod et pugnam manu capessiit et corpore adverso vulnera excepit. Ceterum ad classem in Danuvio opperientem perfugit; secuti mox clientes et acceptis agris in Pannonia locati sunt.'

"So Vannius came down out of his fortresses, and though he was defeated in battle, notwithstanding his reverse, he won some credit by having fought with his own hand, and received wounds on his breast. He then fled to the fleet which was awaiting him on the Danube, and was soon followed by his adherents, who received grants of land and were settled in Pannonia."

In other words, with no information to the contrary, we must assume that the Romans settled part of Vannius' Yazygian allies in Pannonia. That would explain why Pannonia became so important to Rome in the era of the soldier emperors
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/65077
http://bib.irb.hr/datoteka/167165.FIllyrica_antiqua-h-gracanin.pdf
when the Roman army was being Sarmatized in weaponry.


Torsten