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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > A tamga catalogue, spiced with Turkic objections
> > http://tinyurl.com/r7yu7l
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> Another one
> http://www.kroraina.com/alan/olhovskij.html
Note BTW that Ininphimeus (must be = Inismeios)'s tamga (fig. 9.4) is the one Yatsenko ascribes to his father(?) Pharzoios.
If, as I proposed, Pharzoios' tamga is a derivation of the simple bi-dent
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64978
then this is very interesting:
'Na Rusi v X-XIII vv. imeli zametnoe rasprostranenie «znaki Rjurikovic^ej» tamgoobraznye znaki v vide dvu- ili trezubtsa. Oni nanosilisI na oruz^ie i orudija truda, proizvedenija iskusstva, keramiku, arxitekturnye sooruz^enija. Osobenno c^asto podobnye znaki vstrec^ajutsja na svintsovyx tovarnyx plombax i pec^atjax, c^to svidetelIstvuet i ob ix «juridic^eskoj znac^imosti». V poslednie gody izuc^enie znakov Rjurikovic^ej pozvolilo prosleditI protsess prevras^c^enija rodovogo znaka v lic^nyj, a takz^e vyjavitI zakonomernosti otraz^enija e^togo protsessa v tipologic^eskix osobennostjax samix znakov (beletskij S.v., 1999). Opredelennoe sxodstvo so znakami Rjurikovic^ej imejut sinxronnye im i bolee pozdnie geralIdic^eskie znac^ki PolIs^i i Litvy, v osnove kotoryx c^asto lez^it dvu- libo trezubets (beletskij S.v., 1999, s. 320, 321). Po forme bolIs^instvo ix napominaet kak znaki Rjurikovic^ej, tak i sarmatskie i rannetjurkskie znaki. Dannoe sxodstvo s uc^etom xronologic^eskix pozitsij ukazannyx grupp znakov svidetelIstvuet o nalic^ii u opredelennoj c^asti slavjanskogo naselenija es^c^e v domongolIskoe vremja razvityx sistem znakov semejnoj i lic^noj prinadlez^nosti. Pri e^tom dostatoc^no oc^evidno ispolIzovanie tamgoobraznyx znakov prez^de vsego predstaviteljami sotsialInoj verxus^ki.'
Dvuzubtsy! Seems that Pharzoios dude or rather the clan he came from was more important than one could imagine.
Comments, George?
Torsten