From: george knysh
Message: 64762
Date: 2009-08-16
--- On Sun, 8/16/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
These are two of the three Bastarnian names we know (we know no appellatives) .
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****GK: AFAIK "Chlonix" is only found in Gibbon (I don't know his source). Henri Hubert's three names are : Clondicus, Cotto [both in Livy 40:57,58], and Talto (Gibbon's "Deldon") which Hubert gets from Muellenhof. Livy has this to say s.a 179 BCE: "The Scordisci were expected to grant a passage to the Bastarnae without any difficulty for neither in speech nor habits were they dissimilar." The Scordisci are usually held to be a Celto-Illyrian or Celto-Thracian complex (depending on their groups' geography). The Bastarnae are even more complicated in early times: a mix of Celts ("Galatae") Germanics ("Sciri") and Getans (with Germanic slowly getting the upper hand). In 179 BCE Livy's "similar speech" would most likely have been a Celtic dialect. Hubert considers the three princely names to be Germanic.****
(Googling, I find Chl- only in the Gibbons footnote quote, Cl- everywhere else, so I'll assume Cl-)
Could they be the regularly Grimm-shifted relative of that Aestian word *gl-a-s- which was loaned into Germanic (thus no Grimm)
****GK: The Aestii could have been a Celtic group (Tacitus speaks of their "British"-like language) /he knew nothing of British Veneti/****
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cf. Vasmer
'glyadétI, glyaz^ú´ 'schauen, blicken',
ukr. hl´adíty,
wruss. hl´ad´z´éc´,
abulg. gledati, drân (Supr.),
bulg. glédam,
skr. gl`èdâm, gl`èdati,
sloven. glédati, glêdam,
c^ech. hlede^ti,
slovak. hl/adet´
poln. dial. gla,dac´,
osorb. hladac´, nsorb. gle^das´. ||
Urverw.
lett. (kur.) glendi 'suche', glenst,
glendêt 'sehen, suchen',
nuogleñst 'erblicken, gewahr werden',
ir. inglennat 'vestigant',
atgleinn 'demonstrat' ,
mhd. glinzen 'glänzen',
glanz 'Glanz',
norw. dial. gletta 'gucken',
mengl. glenten 'einen Blick werfen',
norw. glindra 'blinzeln',
viell. auch ir. glend, glenn 'Tal' (urspr. 'Lichtung'),
s. ... .
Weiter zu ahd. glîzzan 'gleißen, glänzen', s. ... .
So Clonix, Clondicus "the vigilant, the splendid"?
Torsten