From: george knysh
Message: 64564
Date: 2009-08-02
> From: george knysh <gknysh@...>****GK: Presumably that Lugians and Gutones took Marcomannian and Quadian wives who were buried according to their rite. Which partly adopted inhumations under Celtic influence.****
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Mid-first century BCE Yazigian prerequisites
> To: gknysh@...
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 9:11 PM
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> > GK: Here is another source about burial practices in
> the area of and near the amber road in the 1rst-4th cs. CE:
> >
> http://club-
> kaup.narod. ru/kaup_r_ kylakov_hist_ of_prussia_
> 1283_4.html
> >
> > The Lubsow graves are also mentioned. There is no
> difficulty in seeing them as Germanic. The author is quite
> familiar with the differences and similarities of burial
> practices among various ethna
>
> Then he should have use five lives of the several pages to
> dismiss any connection between Przeworsk/Scandinav
> ian/Wielbark/ Marobodus inhumation and Sarmatian
> inhumation.
>
> ****GK: Are you sure that would be enough? (:=)) Shouldn't
> there be proof that the described inventory was genuine and
> not a planned falsified substitution of the real stuff as
> described in Heimskringla (:=))? Also: think about a reverse
> situation. If some Kossinna type continued to urge that the
> "Aryans" of the Ukrainian steppes came from northern Europe,
> would contemporary archaeologists of Sarmatia be obligated
> to forego the elementary assumptions of their discipline and
> add pages of proof to indicate that the Sarmatian graves of
> their area are not connected to the graves of Germany and
> Scandinavia? What Kulakov did is enough for any honest
> scientist.****
>
> (interestingly he also mentions the West Balts who were
> immediate neighbours of the Germanics in the north, and
> opines that the biritualism of Wielbark was partially a
> borrowing from that source (the other influence being
> Marbodian))
> >
>
> Obviously there are others than you who want there so bad
> to be a migration-tight iron curtain around Germania and
> Scandinavia.
>
> ****GK: Well they're incapable of seeing what's not there
> Torsten.****
>
> > GK: Correction. Here is the Kulikov text on this: "The
> characteristics of the burial rite of the amber country
> which exemplifies equine headgear of the Proto-Vimose and
> Vimose type [GK: i.e. the Celtic stuff] are particularly
> interesting.
>
> Very interesting.
> Vimose is on Fyn (the island you couldn't spell).
> Tell me more about its Celticness.
> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Vimose
> http://tinyurl.
> com/l5pqww
> You're winging it again, right?
>
> ****GK: I said "Celtic stuff" as an abbreviation of a
> previous post outlining the Celtic origins of this type of
> object. The fact that it is named after Vimose is just a
> matter of convenience. Here is Kulikov: "The Celtic material of 100 BCE-> 100 CE etc., (as cited earlier)". He then continues:"In all their areas [i.e. those of the Celts GK] at the end of La Tene we find bronze chain type belts, predecessors of the details of the Vimose type equine headgears."... "Among the finds discovered in the camps of 1rst c. CE Roman legions ... are many type Rh1 equine headgears predecessors of Vimose (called Proto-Vimose [in the professional literature GK]) the originating source of the Vimose equine headgear type prepared on such Celtic models for Rome's auxiliary cavalry." Try not to choke (:=)).****)>
> Thirty years ago [GK 1974. Unfortunately the K. online
> version doesn't include the title of the sources]the most
> authoritative (and heretofore the sole) investigator of the
> burial ritual of the Aestii of Roman times, Jan Jaskanis,
> had somewhat a priori noted the West Baltic origin of the
> biritualistic tradition of the 1-4 cs. in southeastern
> Baltia... But in fact we lack foundations for the assertion
> of the West Baltic authenticity of the carriers of the
> tradition of biritualism in the amber country of Roman
> times. In the Przeworsk area to the south... the appearance
> of inhumations. .. are interpreted as the appearance in the
> north of some Marcomanni and Quadi (Nieweljowski, A., 1981).
>
>
> That's a new one. But the Marcomanni and Quadi were
> neighbors of the Yasigi, so why not.
>
> What is most likely though is
> that this "appearance" (since the (earlier) inhumations are
> principally female) is to be interpreted as the existence of
> matrimonial relations between ethnically related
> communities. "
> >
>
> The appearance of inhumations should be interpreted as the
> existence of matrimonial relations between ethnically
> related communities? What does that mean?
>****GK: Who cares? The important point is that professional archaeologists confirm time and again the essentially Germanic inventory of both cremation and inhumation graves in 1rst c. Germania. And no one sees any analogies between Sarmatian and Germanic inhumations (which is why they don't bother to waste their time on refutations). Where necessary (i.e. the Chernyakhov culture) the differences are described.*****
> There were some relations through marriage between
> ethnically related communities and then they decided they
> should be interred in mounds without cremations? But in
> Denmark there exist many relations through marriage between
> ethnically related communities and yet they don't build
> mounds and inter their loved ones in them. Why is that?
>
> Torsten
>