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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
>
> > > I believe the non-IE Hellenic element is believed to be either
> > > Pelasgian (possibly an Eteo-Cretan language?) or Anatolian, and
> > > I've only seen Afro-Asiatic, Uralic or Basque proposed as
> > > substrates for Germanic.
> >
> > Add to that
> >
> > 1) Krahe's IE Old European (plenty literature)
> >
> > 2) Kuhn's ar-/ur- language, or non-IE NWB (see file section)
> >
> > 3) Kuhn's IE Nordwestblock language (see archive, plenty)
> >
> > 4) Peter Schrijver's language of geminates (= 2, in my opinion)
> >
> > 5) Peter Schrijver's language of bird names (also = 2?)
> >
> > 6) Venetic (= 3?; archives)
>
> > So where do Apple Language and Folkish fit in?
>
> 'Apple' has an a/u ablaut, so 2)
For some other reason I wrote up the root variants for apple as belonging to the combined language 2) and 4). Some of them were
*abl-/*an,Wl-/*apl-/*ubl-/*un,Wl- etc
But that didn't satisfy Latin malum. It does Gamkrelidze/Ivanov's *amlu-, though.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/2095
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/37983
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/2600
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/2599
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/40134
However, if the combined language 2 (ar-/ur-) and language 4 (of the geminates) was also identical to language 5 (of bird names), Latin malum etc would fit in (see Schrijver's article in
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/62677
for definitions). The same goes for the water word; the
*akW-/*an,W-/*ap-/*up- "water"
root would be identical to the one in
*wo-dor (*n,Wo-dor)
if it belonged to a combined language 2, 4 and 5. Which means henceforth I will consider those substrate languages to be identical.
Torsten