Re: Afro-Asiatic substrate (re "folk" "polk" "pulkas")

From: tgpedersen
Message: 64458
Date: 2009-07-28

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, gknysh@... wrote:
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> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> --- On Tue, 7/28/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:
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> > > --- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
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> > > > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@ > wrote:
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> > > > > Vennemann gave a convincing Semitic etymology for 'folk'
> > > > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48772
> > > > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48897
> > > > > GK:
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> > > > > Now if it came from Semitic to all three, what is the time
> > > > > line of the borrowing?
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> > > > Time of the Sea Peoples in Egypt. Bronze Age.
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> From the Vennemann quote, translated:
> ..../....
> Assyr. palgu "canal", puluggu, pulungu "region"15
> plgh "division; region (as part of a tribe); brook"
> plh "separate"
> plh "cleave", Modern Hebrew, Aram. "dig, cultvate field",
> also in Arabic, as Aramaic loanword; "furrow, dig up" 16
> plk "division, region; spindel"
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> ****GK: Any possibility this loan could have reached Eastern and Northern Europe via Cimmerian or Scythian (groups which had close military dealings with the Assyrians and Arameans in the 8th and 7th cs. BCE)? (As an alternative to the Peoples of the Sea scenario)Or would that be too late?*****
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I can't rule rule that out; the reason I picked Bronze Age (approx. 1200 - 500 BCE) is I saw on Swedish TV some re-evaluation series of the Nordic Bronze Age (the one the Nazis saw as the pinnacle of Northern Civilization) as derivative of contemporaneous Mediterranean ones, or rather, the high one was; there seemed to be two coexisting cultures then, one with kingly graves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Grave
the other of the petroglyphs
http://fornvannen.se/pdf/1900talet/1907_160.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haljesta.jpg
etc., many with ships. Vennemann noted that the Semitic matches in North European, especially Germanic, belongs to the higher sphere of the vocabulary (military, statecraft etc)


Torsten