From: tgpedersen
Message: 64450
Date: 2009-07-28
>That was too hasty.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/27/09, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > > Vennemann gave a convincing Semitic etymology for 'folk'
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48772
> > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48897
> > >
> > > GK: There are attested presences of this term in three language
> > > groups: Germanic, Slavic, and Baltic (nothing in Iranic?).
> >
> > Not AFAIK.
> >
> > > Now if it came from Semitic to all three, what is the time line
> > > of the borrowing?
> >
> > Time of the Sea Peoples in Egypt. Bronze Age.
> >
> > ****GK: I don't suppose there is any connection between the Gr
> > "pelekus" and the Egyptian designation of the Philistines
> > ("Peleset")(with the latter being some sort of satemized variant:
> > is the Hebrew link "Plishtim" totally secure or just a folk
> > version?). The time frame would be adequate enough, and the
> > archaeological evidence plausible (since migrating people of the
> > Zrubna right bank steppe area culture of Ukraine participated in
> > the "peoples of the sea" invasion along with more Western
> > elements). But if so why would it be the "k" form which appeared
> > in Balto-Slavic (unless there was a later secondary borrowing).
> > Probably an incorrect hookup but very tempting esp. in view of
> > later Scythian connections with Ashkelon and their "viper woman"
> > + Targitaus myths which all have clear links to the middle
> > east.*****
> >
> > > On the other hand if the Slavic and Baltic terms are borrowings
> > > from Germanic, this would imply a time before the Grimm shift.
> >
> > Actually, most traditional treatments of traditional loans from
> > Germanic to Baltic Finnic presupposes a reversing of Grimm in the
> > process, probably because Grimm was once placed very early. Most
> > linguists now place the Grimm shift around the begin of CE, so do
> > I, seeing it as caused by contact with an Iranian language
> > (Ossetic has something similar). But since I'm beginning an
> > Umwertung aller Werte anyway, I'll get this straight too: it was
> > loaned from Semitic into the ar-/ur- language.
> >
> > *****GK: As "plg" (as Piotr implies?) with the "g" later changing
> > to a "k"?****
>
> Vennemann has a Semitic plk "district; spindle",
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/60453
> that would match better.