Re: That old Ariovistus scenario.

(GK) since we have no Przeworsk texts of any kind

> (original or cited) I don't understand how your "discovery" is

> anything more than a totally arbitrary assumption.

(TP)You have posited from the word go, that anything I assume and will ever assume in the future, is totally arbitrary.

****GK: Indeed I have, as to all instances where you advance some notion for which no convincing proof exists. And there is none in this particular case. ****

> Nor do I see how it relates to your Snorrist views.

I don't know what words you invent mean. But here it is: the Roman expansion under Caesar and other field commanders in the area where later Romance languages are spoken is matched on the other side of the Rhine in the area where later Germanic languages were spoken by a number (at least two) with the Germanic(?) title of Wod-an- "army leader".

****GK: But Germanic spread eastward some two centuries before it spread westward (if indeed that is what happened with Ariovistus in the first c. BCE), "protos" or "proto-protos" notwithstanding. That does not fit the Snorrist scenario. But then neither does the career of Ariovistus. There is no discernible relationship between a westward movement which began ca. 72 BCE and events further east.*****

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> Let me see if you understand this one: Everywhere the *xarud- name

> appears you find high percentages of haplotype I (Oppenheimer' s

> 'Ivan').



> GK: The Wikipedia "Croats" article suggests the haplotype I

> convergence

Haplotypes don't converge. They diverge from each other over time. They imply common inheritance.

****GK: Nitpicking over casual words won't help your case.****

> between Croats and Scandinavians is due to events which happened

> 30,000 years ago, not in the time of Ariovistus.

30,000 years ago is the time that haplotype broke away from the rest. Since historians, also DNA historians by default assume peace and quiet and no major take over by a foreign male gene pool where they haven't heard of one, they automatically assume that everything is founder effect, ie. that those groups were distributed the way they are today because people moved into the areas we find them in today immediately after the last Ice Age. Thus it is a default assumption, based on no further data. However, a scenario in conformity with that presented by Snorri

http://www.sacred- texts.com/ neu/pre/pre03. htm

('The Æsir took wives of the land for themselves, and some also for their sons; and these kindreds became many in number, so that throughout Saxland, and thence all over the region of the north, they spread out until their tongue, even the speech of the men of Asia, was the native tongue over all these lands.') would explain the distribution of haplotype I (there's a map of its distribution in the Files under 'Maps, The Orgs of the Brits').

****GK: Are you saying that the Przeworkers= "the men of Asia"? Where's your proof? There is no discernible "eastern influence" in the constitution of Przeworsk. Snorri's fantasy can't fill the gap.****



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