Re: That old Odin scenario ...

From: tgpedersen
Message: 64259
Date: 2009-06-25

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemetes
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemcza
> > > >
> > > > That would make sense if the Nemetes had come all the way
> > > > from Przeworsk-land with Ariovistus. The question is then:
> > > > how close would the Slavs have to have been at the time A.
> > > > left with them for that to be their designation for Germanic?
> >
> >
> > It's possible to argue for 'nemeton' being of originally Venetic,
> > not Celtic origin, cf the geographical spread:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemeton
> > http://www.roman-britain.org/nemeton.htm
> > and perhaps
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantes
> > (the site of Caesar's Gallic Veneti)
> >
> > The -et- ethnonym suffix would place the name with the *-iþi names
> > http://tinyurl.com/5udkqz
>
>
> Håndbog i danske stednavne
>
> 'LØSE.
> 36. Niløse s. Merløse h. *1231 Niløsworæ, c. 1370 Nyløsæ.
> Forleddet er mul. adj. ny. Hald Um p. 86.
>
> TOFT
> 102. Nimtofte s. Djurs Nørre h. 1426 Nimtoft.
> Mul. adj. ny + he:m (Hald Um p. 86 i forbindelse med Nim,
> jfr. DS XII, 214). Vokalen y er afrundet til i på grund af
> stillingen foran m.
> [Poss adj ny "new" + he:m "home" (Hald Um p. 86 in conn. w. Nim,
> cf. DS XII, 214). The vowel y is unrounded to i because of the
> position before m.
>
> UM.
> 107. Nim s. og h. *1231 Nymheret. Se reg. E: 69.
> Har været tolket af adj. ny, hvilket betvivles af Hald Um p. 86.
> Han ser i forleddet et glda. *ni: af uvis opr. som findes fx i
> Niløse.
> [Has been interpreted as from adj. ny "new" which is doubted by
> Hald Um p.86. He sees in the first element an ODa. *ni: of
> uncertain origin which eg. is found in Niløse.]Se reg. A: LØSE 36.
>
>
> E
> Syssel- og herredsnavne
>
> 69. Nim h. *1231 Nymheret.
> Er tolket af adj. ny eller af en stamme *ni: af uvis opr., som
> menes at indgå i Niløse, Merløse h. *1231 Niløsworæ og måske i nr.
> 70.
> [Has been interpreted as from the adj ny "new" or from a stem *ni:
> of uncertain org. thought to appear in Niløse, Merløse h. *1231
> Niløsworæ and perhaps also in no. 70]
> Se Hald Um p. 86. DS XII, 214.
>
> 70. Ning h. *1231 Ninggeheret.
> Opkaldt med suffiks -ing efter et ukendt sted ved navn *Ni, se
> under nr. 69.
> [Named with suffix -ing after an unknown place named *Ni, see under
> no. 69.
> DS XII, 52.'
>
>
> My guess: <- *Nim-inga-
>

More possible Nemetic/Nemetski 'refugee camps' after Ariovistus:

ADAC Maxi Atlas Deutschland, index:
'Nindorf 15 H3, @ 25704 Nindorf 16 C2, @ 24594
Nindorf 28 B3. @ 21769 Lamstedt
Nindorf 28 D1, @ 21706 Drochtersen
Nindorf 29 G6, @ 21643 Beckdorf
Nindorf 42 C5, @ 27299 Langwedel
Nindorf 42 E1, @ 27404 Elsdorf
Nindorf 42 F5, @ 27374 Visselhövede
Nindorf 43 K7, @ 29303 Bergen
Nindorf 43 L1, @ 21271 Hanstedt
Nindorf 44 F1, @ 21354 Bleckede
Nindorf 174 C5, @ 34533 Buchhofen
Nindorf 187 H2, @ 84364 Bad Birnbach'

These are all the Nindorf's in the index.
Here's one slightly more to the north, in Schleswig-Holstein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nindorf,_Rendsburg-Eckernf%C3%B6rde

Maps 15 28-29, 42-44 cover an area west, south west and south of Hamburg, within a 100 km range.
Maps 174 and 187 are around Passau in Bavaria.

These may be relevant too:
'Niendorf 19 H4, @ 23999 Insel Poel
Niendorf 19 H7, @ 23996
Niendorf 19 I4, @ 23974
Niendorf 20 C4, @ 18059
Niendorf 20 C5, @ 18258
Niendorf 21 H8, @ 17166
Niendorf 29 K3, @ *20095 Hamburg
Niendorf 31 H4, @ 23881
Niendorf 31 KB, @ 19273
Niendorf 32 F7, @ 19288 Ludwigslust
Niendorf 44 C3, @ 29553 Bienenhüttel
Niendorf 45 L1, @ 19288
Niendorf 59 I6, @ 39646
Niendorf 79 I7, @ 15936'
and a few more.

Maps 19-21 are in Mecklenburg.
Map 29 includes Hamburg.
Maps 31-32 are east of Hamburg.
Maps 44-45 are south east of Hamburg.
Map 59 is east of Hannover.
Map 79 is south of Berlin.

They seem to be concentrated on a small area.
Note the geographical separation of the Nin- and Nien- names
There are other Nim- and Nin-/Nien- names too.

A development *Ni(:)m-þorp- -> *Ni(:)n-þorp
is to be expected (-> Ni(:)ndorf).
However, there exist names in Nien- not before dental
(Nienhagen, Nienhof, Nienhusen, Nienkamp).



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