Res: Res: Res: [tied] Siwe

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 64120
Date: 2009-06-11

Sif has no Germanic equivalent, out of Norse mythology. Maybe her names was Pre-Germanic, maybe Finnic. A Proto-Norse *SiBjo: would be just a Proto-Germanized form of a substratal name.

JS Lopes

De: Anatoly Guzaev <anatoly_guzaev@...>
Para: Cybalist <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 11 de Junho de 2009 5:00:30
Assunto: RE: Res: Res: [tied] Siwe

Russian семя [simya] 'family' appeared to be related to Gothic sibja 'relationship, adoption'; cf. Russ. усвоить [usvoit'] 'adopt, assimilate'


To: cybalist@... s.com
From: josimo70@... com.br
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:09:58 -0700
Subject: Res: Res: [tied] Siwe




Thanks for the corrections. But I still think that Sif as a personification of "relationship" is not convincent. She is a golden-haired Thundergod's wife, and mother of Ullr. Her role is not much clear.

JS Lopes

De: Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@... edu.pl>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 9 de Junho de 2009 17:01:52
Assunto: Re: Res: [tied] Siwe

On 2009-06-09 20:52, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
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> I've always suspected this could be a plausible link, Zywa/Síf.
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> If Si:f is Germanic, then < *si:Bo:, *si:Bjo:, *tsi:B-, *ksi:B- ?, *sihiB-?

What for? <Sif> is a personification of PGmc. *siBjo: 'relationship'
(Goth. sibja OE sibb, OHG sipp(e)a). The underlying adjective is *siBja-
'of one's own kind', hence *siBj-an- 'relative'. They seem to be echt
Germanic, ultimately from *swe-bH-(i)o- . Note that Gmc. *B always
becomes *b in loanwords taken by Slavic.

> If its not could come from an adstratum para-Slavic *z^i:va: > *zi:va: >
> *si:Bo: ?

*z^iva or *z^ivIje could well be represented as <Siwe> in a German
source, but then of course it would have nothing to do with Sif,
formally or semantically.

Piotr


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