Re: [tied] Franco-Provençal

--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...> wrote:

> From: Octavià Alexandre <oalexandre@...>
> Subject: Re: [tied] Franco-Provençal
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 4:40 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ****GK: The following might be interesting to
> list members:
> > >
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Charter_for_Regional_or_Minority_L\
> anguages
> > >
> > > ****
> > That Charter definitely comes up short. There are
> about a dozen
> Ibero-Romance languages spoken in Spain, to give an
> example.
> >
> Which ones? I don't think "Ibero-Romance" is
> an apropriate term. I'd
> prefer "Hispano-Romance" instead, which
> DOESN'T include Catalan (which
> belongs to Occitano-Romance), although Aragonese is a
> transitional
> variety from Hispano to Occitano-Romance.

One could argue that but one could also argue that Occitan is Hispano-Romance as well --see the chart in the Facts on File book on language

>
> To me, modern Hispano-Romance is divided in 4 groups:
> Galician-Portuguese, Leonese, Castilian (standard Spanish
> and its
> varieties) and Aragonese.

Yes, 4 groups, 5 with Catalan, each with 2 or 3 languages.
So we get:
1. Galician, Fala, Portuguese
2. Asturian, Leonese, Extremeño, Mirandés
3. Castillian, Murcian, and a transitional Aragonese-Castillian dialect near Burgos, I forgot the name but there are dictionaries
4. Aragonese
and I'd add
5. Catalan, Valenciano, Balear
plus 4 or 5 argots such as Quinqui, Caló, etc.
So that's at least a dozen

In the Middle Ages there was a

> dialectal
> continuum generically labelled "Mozarabian" which
> was superseded in the
> Reconquista by those groups plus Catalan stretching from
> North to South.

Well yes, but in the North, you also had pre-Castillian, Galaico-Portuguese, Astur-Leonese and perhaps pre-Aragonese

>
> You might also be interested to read this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France>