Re: Kuhn's ar-/ur-language

From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 62949
Date: 2009-02-09

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> > What's the connection of Spanish (?) vega with Lit vaga ?
>
> Do you find it historically preposterous and semantically doubtful? ;-)
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> Indeed,
> Not to speak about phonetic problems comparing *vaica with *vaga.
> A.
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*vaica??

Si
Es la reconstruccion de la Real Academia Espanyola.
voz prerromana : *vaica
A.
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> The reconstructed roots I quote from UEW are phonetically and
> semantically similar, but the authors have not managed to relate
> them to each other with any known Uralic derivation process.
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> I missed the similarity !?
> A.
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Try again. This time I'll reinterpret the semantics of the UEW roots.

U:
1) an,tV (on,tV) "pointy object" U
2) on,tV "pointy object" U
3) utka "isthmus, long narrow headland/promontory" U

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As I told you before, it's :
PU *amt "horn"
Ostyak *oN&t "horn" (another word)

The third word supposedly **utka is better reconstructed *ux&t and it means
"way, path, track".

A.
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cf ON oddi "landspitze etc"

For the benefit of those who don't live in an archipelago I'll show
some exaples of what Da. 'odde' is:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odde
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%A6llands_Odde
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billede:Denmark_location_map.svg
And Skagens Odde is the headland on top of Jutland.
An 'odde' is usually flat. Hilly headlands are called 'næs'
The situation is this: If your boat is sufficiently light and rickety,
you have an actual choice between sailing it around the headland and
dragging it across it. Hence the dual sense "pointy thing"/"leg on a
journey".

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That's nice.
Sand dunes and sunny day. That could give enough ideas to invert a bad
demographic trend.
but I cannot see how oddi "landspitze" can derive from *amt or *oN&t "horn
or even worse ox&t "way, track"
What could be the pre-form of ON oddi ?

Thank you for the lexical distinction between odde and naes.
I confirm that the Cap blanc-nez (en français dans le texte !) is indeed
hilly.
http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez048.jpg
http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez044.jpg
http://jl.franchomme.free.fr/Sangatte_Blanc_Nez055.jpg
http://accel6.mettre-put-idata.over-blog.com/1/36/65/49//Cap-Blanc-Nez-skua-2.jpg

I don't know if there's any "odde" around there.

Do you have a particular word to describe a small steep-sided valley or
gully between two naeses ?

A.
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BTW, in 'utka', the Samoyed cognates in *n,- and *w- pleased me; it
seems the root might be connected to that common "water" root *(a)n,W-
Torsten

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By the way (sic !), as you unvoluntarily wrote, Samoyedic regularly adds #N-
to words which originally were #u- or #o-
I'm afraid your pleasure is going to be short-lived.
Nice try !

A.