Re: Sos-

From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 62650
Date: 2009-01-29

Some informative maps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Asia_200bc.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ob_watershed.png

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Thanks !
A.



Pulleyblank
The Consonantal System of Old Chinese
has some phonetic information about the Hsiung-nu language
(pp 139-140):
'In support of the hypothesis of labials in this series we may note
the probable connection of .. M. hyon, "breast" with Tibetan bran
(Simon 1929, p. 172). This would indicate *fl- rather than *f- -
probably .., .. should be reconstructed as *fo:n, and the subseries of
.. (.. .. ..) was distinguished by the presence of medial -1-. We have
noted above that *fl could give either *h or *t.h. This reconstruction
is further supported by the probable equation of the name of the
Hsiung-nu . .. M. hyon,-nou < *flo:n,-nah^ with the Phrouñoi of
Apollodorus (Haloun 1937, p. 306, n. 1). As Haloun says, "Die
sachliche Identität ist m. E. unabweisbar". This equation does not
exclude the possibility of connecting the name of the Hsiung-nu with
the Hu:n.a of India and the Khou~noi, O´u~noi, Hunni of western
writers as has sometimes been thought. There is reason to think that
there may have been a simplification of the initial in the Hsiung-nu
language pari passu with the simplification in Chinese, and perhaps
under similar influence, that of the original labial fricative in
Hsiung-nu had become a laryngal or velar fricative. Presumably this is
indicated also by Greek gamma-. A still later loss of -r- would give
us the Sogdian xwn of the early fourth-century letters (Henning 1948,
p. 615). [All Chinese character have been replaced by '..')
'

So, initial clusters in proto-Yeniseian? Could that explain the s/t/l
altenation of Yeniseian and Ostyak? BTW, why were the Yeniseians so
long called Yenisei Ostyak? Were they that difficult to tell apart?

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Ostyak is about as precise as the word "tatar" used to be describing any
non-Russian individual of the Russian empire.

Baxter's reconstruction does not support **flo:n,-nah^
It would rather be *HiroN-na

A.