Re: * Re: Push (3)

From: Anatoly Guzaev
Message: 62457
Date: 2009-01-11

It seems to be interesting to mention here the Russian verb пыхтеть-pihtety 'blow', 'pant', 'puff'. May it be in some relation to OFr pousser? Also, there is Serb.-Cr. verb 'puhati', 3d pers. sing. 'puše' (blows, pants, puffs). We could also have checked if the Russian verbs pihtety (blow, pant) and веять-veyaty (blow, winnow) are mutually related or not. What about Czech pískat/hvizdat 'whistle' (Cz. hvízdal vs. Eng. whistle)?
Why English 'blow' has the meaning 'explode' beside  'the motion of the air'? Could the English blow be related to bulge or swell; Ger. Schwellung? In Russian, above-mentioned pihtety (blow) is obviously related to пухнуть-puhnuty (swell); cf. English blow and bloat?
Finally, Latin pulso -are might be closely ralated to bullatus (inflated, swelled); cf. Latin bulla 'swelling', bulge; from the PIE *bhelgh-?


To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
From: fournet.arnaud@...
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:24:51 +0100
Subject: Re: [tied] * Re: Push (3)

Brian wrote:

I don't know whether he says so or not, but that's via OFr <pousser> 'to
breathe with difficulty, to wheeze (~1150 for a horse, beg. 14th c. for a
person), to exercise physical pressure on, to shove or jostle (a person or
thing) (late 12th c.), later developing other senses.

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Ishinan's response:

What is the source for the "~1150" date you are quoting above? Can this
source be accessed for the exact definition as well?

[...]

At any rate, it is quite revealing that all the meanings of these suggested
sources for «push» seem to occur in different languages around roughly the
same time, i.e. in the 14 th c.
Despite the great temptation to attribute it to Latin, none of these
examples have anything to do with the Classical pulso~are & pulsus. The 10
definitions of the Classical terms pulso~are & pulsus were quoted verbatim,
in my previous message, from "The Oxford Classical Latin Dictionary"
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/62394
Ishinan




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