Re: Res: [tied] Reindeer domestication : two origins

From: tgpedersen
Message: 62098
Date: 2008-12-16

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Res: [tied] Reindeer domestication : two origins
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> >
> > On 2008-12-15 21:32, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> krios "ram"
> >> hrinthar- "cow"
> >> s^r.nga "horn"
> >> xerut- "deer, stag"
> >> kerambos, terambos "stagbeetle"
> >>
> >> Are they independent developments from same root k^erh- "head,
> >> horn", or may represent diverse PIE names from horned beasts?
> >
> > Some of them can't be derived from *k^erh2-. It seems that
> > *k^erh2(-ser/n-) means basically 'head', while most 'horn(ed)'
> > words are derived from *k^erh2w- (cervus, *xerut-, Slavic *korva
> > 'cow', etc.), *k^ren- (Slavic *sIrna 'roe-deer', s'r.Nga-,
> > perhaps Rind) and possibly *k^rei- (*xraina-, krios). As an
> > intriguing complication, stagbeetles and hornets seem to have
> > names derived from 'head' rather than 'horn' (*k^erh2-...,
> > *k^r.h2-sr-e:n). We seem to be dealing with an ancient set of
> > related roots with various pre-PIE "extensions", no longer
> > analysable in the protolanguage. *k^ren- and *k^rei- are
> > vocalised differently from *k^erh2-, since PIE did not allow two
> > sonorants at the end of a root.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> ============
>
> Just for the fun,
> you can add that Chinese for "horn" jiao3 is from *krok
> if we follow the reconstruction of Baxter.
> One more IE LW ?
>
> A.
>
Much worse than that.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/kr.html
Half circle = horns.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/krn.html


Torsten