Re: The -SG- in Greek (PELASGOS)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
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> With this meaning of the word in place its oddity of use in ancient
> sources becomes more clear. From the point of view of historical
> Greeks, both "indigenous" people AND earlier waves of Greek conquerors
> were both older inhabitants who could be described as Pelastikoi.
> Though there may have been confusion even at that time, the apparent
> use for both does not itself indicate confusion; saying that P. lived
> there before Greeks and that P. were Greeks would mean that there were
> non-Greeks, then Greeks, then other Greeks.
>
> Going as far back as I can, the sequence would be:
>
> ?
> non-IE people
> Indo-Iranian-speaking conquerors
> Greek conquerors 1
> Greek conquerors 2
> Greek conquerors 3
>
> ==========
>
> Why should be the first layer be non IE ?

Unless IE originated in Greece there were other inhabitants beforehand.

> We have plenty of connections with Anatolian.
>
> Where were proto-Greek speakers,
> if Indo-Iranian (??) arrived before proto-Greeks ?
> Where are the traces that Indo-Iranian (??) ever existed in Greece ?
>
> I don't buy a word of this theory.

Plenty of words have been considered as borrowings by some, some
have been claimed to be from an earlier-spoken language in Greece,
some from Indo-Iranian, but no one has agreed on all the particulars
or put them together in one theory.


Here are some words that show the a- added before consonant-clusters
(one of the oldest-known characteristics of a supposed substrate):


Av spar@... 'shoot, twig?', G aspáragos / aspháragos 'shoot (of a.)'

Skt sphut.- 'burst, open, bloom', sphot.a- 'blooming', asphota- 'kind
of plant', G asphódelos 'kind of flower'