Re: Negation

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...> wrote:

> From: Andrew Jarrette <anjarrette@...>
> Subject: [tied] Re: Negation
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 5:30 PM
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Liberman's point is that <æ:fre> is a very
> late word in OE, and that is
> > possibly originated in literary Late West Saxon. And,
> yes, the
> suggested
> > development is [w] > [v] <f>.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
>
> Thanks for Liberman's point, but _my_ point is that
> I've never heard
> of /w/ becoming /v/ anywhere in Old English (the OED
> mention of <wr->
> being pronounced /vr-/ refers to a more recent and isolated
> phenomenon, I think). What other words show evidence of
> /w/>/v/? The
> "laverock" example is not convincing to me, as
> it's such an infrequent
> word and may show evidence of another formation (or if
> it's borrowed
> from Ibero-Romance *laverca, as Rick suggests, it may have
> the /v/ of
> this dialect). For this reason I don't find the idea
> of a comparative
> of *a:w convincing.
>
> Andrew

Ibero-Romance laverca could only have 4 sources
1. Suevian ==since it's most common in Galician, and they ruled Galicia c. 409 -525
2. Gothic --since the Goths ruled Hispania c. 416-711
3. Vandalic --ruled much of Spain c. 409-430; but we know almost nothing about their language
4. Frankish --i.e. a loanword from French or from Franks who filtered into Spain