Re: *y-n,W- "subordinate"?

Yes, Piotr, this is what happens if one refuses to consider possible
extra-PIE connections.

There is no question in my mind that PIE *yew- exists, and means 'young'
('newly born'); and perfectly fits the shape requirements of a PIE root.

The semantic association is with newborn weakness not vitality.

Your "*h2jew" is a stem from a different root altogether.


Patrick

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From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:51 AM
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [tied] *y-n,W- "subordinate"?

> On 2008-11-19 01:00, tgpedersen wrote:
>
>> 3. yeu- "jung",
>> Positiv yuwen- (: yu:n-),
>> Kompar. yew-yos.
>
> That's what happens if you use Pokorny ignoring more recent scholarship.
> There is in fact no *jeu- 'young', and *juwen-/*ju:n- has to be
> rewritten as *h2jú-h3(o)n-, e.g. a Hoffmann construction in which the
> first element is the acrostatic neuter *h2oju/*h2aju- 'vitality' = Skt.
> a:yu with the secondary weak stem *h2jew- > Skt. yo- (--> reduced and
> compositional *h2ju-). The Hoffmann element was ignored when the
> comparative was formed in dialectal IE on the basis of the neo-full
> grade: *h2jéw-ios-.
>
> The Germanic 'young' word is further extended with the suffix *-k^ó-
> (cf. Skt. yuvas'á-, Lat. iuvencus):
>
> *h2ju-h3n.-k^ó- > *ju(w)unxá- (GL) > *junGa- (with the pre-cluster
> shortening of *u: < *uu).
>
> The PGmc. comparative of that was *júnx-izan- (no VL because of the
> pre-Gmc. root accent typical of comparatives) > *ju:~xizan- > *ju:xizan-
> (Goth. ju:hiza, archaic ON ø:re).
>
> The *n, when it occurs, comes from the Hoffmann element and is not part
> of the root.
>
> Piotr
>
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