Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Jarrette" <anjarrette@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> >
> > > No need now for anyone to answer my question about the origin
> > > of the /j/ in the Scandinavian names for the Jutes, or the
> > > forms <Jylland> or <Jysk> (although why do these have <y>?), I
> > > hadn't seen this message when I asked it.
> >
> > The standard explanation for Danish is that [ju] > [y] (/ju/ >
> > /ü/)
>
> But then why not **Ylland and *Ysk?
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> > (cf. Sw. djur, Da. dyr "animal") with a few exceptions
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djursland
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> Do Danes pronounce the <Djur> in this name as it is pronounced in
> Swedish, or do you pronounce the <D->?

They pronounce the D-.

> > except before /l/ (hjul "wheel", but Jysk hywl)
>
> Is <hywl> a phonetic rendering of the Jysk word?

It is a phonetic rendering of the Jysk word corresponding to Rigsdansk
(Standard Danish) hjul, or the Jysk pronounciation of the Danish word
hjul, whichever you prefer (actually only north of a line Horsens -
Ringkøbing Fjord).

> Or is that how it is actually spelt?

It's how some of those writers who wrote stories in Jysk (Blicher,
Aakjær, Johs. V. Jensen) would have written it, depending on the
particular dialect (19th, early 20th cent., no one does that today).
But there never was an official Jysk orthography, the differences esp.
between Vestjysk and the rest is too great. All those stories were
written as a one-shot affair, the author rendering the particular
dialect with whatever means possible in the normal Latin alphabet.

> And if so, what is the phonetic (IPA) rendering of this word?

Probably something like /hy?Ul/.


Torsten