Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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>
> > The etnonym <juutti> 'Dane' is perfectly synonymous with the

younger

> > word <tanskalainen> 'Dane'. Juutti just sounds a bit archaic,

perhaps

> > dialectal or poetic. Most likely <Juutinrauma> is an autochtonous
> > construction from the etnonym, that is 'the stream of the Danes'.

It

> > does not necessarily in my view presoppose an original

**Jutstraum.

> > In fact such a borrowing would contain a chronological paradox

since

> > the word rauma ~ stream must be borrowed from Proto-Norse before

the

> > loss of the stem -a whereas Juutti must be borrowed after the

accent

> > shifted in a.d. 800.
>
> Why must 'Juutti be borrowed after the accent shifted in a.d. 800'?
>
>
> Torsten
>

Well at least not before the Proto Norse rule eu > iu anyway, but
that was not much earlier than 800 a.d. in fact.

eutV- [ewtV-] would have rendered *euttV- > öyttV-

The outcome of a possible intermediate form *iut- [iwt-] (i don't
think there ever was one, was there?) is difficult to predict. There
are indeed Norse loanwords from this period like liuta (<= cognate to
gm. leute), kiusata (<= cognate to engl. choose) etc..

A borrowing older than 800 a.d. should also be expected to show an
original Proto-Norse stem vowel rather than to appear as a young
Finnish medieval i-stem (c.f. the example word above), but this
criteria is a bit shaky because of later analogous movements between
stem-types, but adds a bit indicative weight to the argument.