Re: Scandinavia and the Germanic tribes such as Goths, Vandals, Angl

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-11-02 20:41, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > Do tell, Fyodor. Is it Tanew again?
>
> No, I mean names like Kl/odobok < *kalda-bak(i)- 'cold stream',
> where one can see both Grimm's Law and Verner's Law,

In Silesia.

> several river names in -awa which can plausibly be explained as
> *-axWo:,

Or *-an,Wa.

> or pairs X : X-ing like Wda < *vIda (a river) : Wdzydze (Videncze
> 1258, Widentz 1284) < *vIdeNdz- <-- *widing- (a complex of five
> large lakes on the Wda, hence the plural inflection).

How do you explain those old Venetic/Old European looking forms?
And how do you know it's not a case of 'suffix translation' (eg. Slav.
-sk > Gmn. -zig; Lipsk > Leipzig, Gdan´sk > Danzig)?

> No matter what the river name meant originally (perh. *wiþa- ~
> *wiðo: 'band', in which case it would also exhibit the effect of
> both laws),

Probably not Gmc, it's distribution precludes that:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48487
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48490


-ing- is Germanic _and_ Vernerian.

True. If so, we know at least one place where the Germani stayed when
Grimm-shifting.


Torsten