Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovel

From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 61204
Date: 2008-11-02

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From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
>
> By your logic, English /h/ would be a vowel because some
> speakers say "an
> history".
>
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>
> Absurd,
>
> People who say an (h)istory just have no h here in this
> word.

Au contraire mon frère, the columnist George Will says /aen hIstriy/ all the
time. It's especially common among conservative writers in the US.
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I don't think unnatural affected speech should be taken as proof of anything
about real English.

Two presidents used to say ils sont as [il so~t] with a absurd -t- here even
with no liaison after that.

Arnaud

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>
> The fact English has <a ewe> means <ewe>
> /ju(w)/ starts with a consonant
> from the point of view of the English language.
> but this is not the case in French as yeux "eyes"
> has les Z-yeux implying
> that yeux is /iö/ not **/jö/.
>
> And I'm afraid you are confusing orthography with real
> speech.
>
> Arnaud

You are confusing conventions with morpho-syntax.
Rick
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I noticed you have a strange way of using the word "convention".

Can you explain more about what is a "convention" according to you ?

Arnaud