From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 61168
Date: 2008-11-01
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From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
>
>> 3. it never appears in initial clusters C-l- or C-r (when
>> most other consonants do)
>
> Your hyphenation is confusing; do you mean that [wl-] and
> [wr-] don't occur? That's also true of modern English,
> which certainly has /w/.
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the issue was about initial clusters.
-initial clusters- can you read your own mother tongue !?
as regards French,
I was meaning that initial clusters like #wr- and #wl- don't exist,
but this is only one more feature.
The point was the sound -w- only appears in very limited contexts,
as a prevocalic component of diphthongues.
It does not appear elsewhere.
As your analysis is 100% wrong,
I understand that you are now trying to create some screensmoke to hide
this.
I was expecting this from you, so I'm not surprised.
Arnaud
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>> Next, this item can always be vocalized as [u] in slow
>> speech.
>
> Irrelevant: that's a characteristic of [w].
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Does this mean Week can be uttered as oo-eek- ?
I really doubt it, but I let you native speakers explain me.
I'll check with a neighbour in the next street who is an English native
speaker.
Arnaud
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>
> /w/ is certainly marginal in French, but there are a few
> minimal pairs, e.g., <loua> [lua] vs. <loi> [lwa].
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Outstandingly Absurd,
loua is two syllables lou + a
loi is one syllable lwa
Not to speak abound morpheme boundaries.
lou-a : root + P3 passé simple
loi : a single morpheme
Do you understand what a minimal pair is ?
Check phonology basics.
And you can also check the word 'wrong'.
You're wrong,
/w/ is not _marginal_
It does not exist.
Full stop.
And the same is true in Italian and Spanish.
Arnaud
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>
>> There is no phoneme /w/.
>> There is just a sound [w] that is a form of the vowel /u/
>> in pre-vocalic context.
>
> Note that this is precisely the position to which you were
> objecting in the case of PIE.
>
> Brian
>
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What is this new piece of absurdity of yours ?
I never wrote PIE did not have /w/ !
I wrote it had both /w/ and /u/.
And as regards PIE, the issue would be more about post-vocalic context.
CeWk ~ Cuk
You are so desperately wrong,
you are losing your Indo-European.
Arnaud