From: tgpedersen
Message: 60885
Date: 2008-10-14
>Cf. English
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture
> >
> > Such a culture : late and widespread can hardly coincide with one
> > particular language.
>
> If the people who spoke it were traders it would. Cf. English
>
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>
> Traders usually leave about no traces at all.
> CF. Phoenicians.
> And be they traders or not, those Veneti, wherever they came from,Yes, and?
> were not spreading in a human vacuum.
> At that time (- 2000 BC) about all Europe is covered by
> Indo-European Agricultural people.
> > Which color on the map do you choose for Venetic ?Should they?
> >
> > Red seems to be Gaulish (or Celtic).
> > Orange is nice for NWB.
> >
> > What about purple/pink ?
>
> Forget the colors on the map and look at the list of 'Distribution
> and local groups'.
> First, since they were involved in trade, they tended to settle in
> portage areas between the heads of rivers, eg. Lake Constance
> (Rhine/Danube/Ticino), Vesontio/Besançon (Rhine/Rhone) etc. The map
> makers have assumed they filled out the territory around those
> places.
> Second, there are no 'local groups' correspond8ing to their
> 'northern Urnfield culture (orange)'
> Third, the 'Terramare culture (blue)' is concentrtated in Northern
> Italy (Po valley) and Dalmatia. That's Adriatic Veneti territory.
>
> So: Red, Blue, Blue-grey and Purple (and possibly Brown), with the
> slimmimg provisos I mentioned.
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>
> Why should they be the first to settle along these rivers ?
> They had received some divine preemptive right ?Yes, they asked me first and I said it was okay.
> What about the people who arrived on these spots before ?I think they decided to move elsewhere.