From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60882
Date: 2008-10-14
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture
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> Such a culture : late and widespread can hardly coincide with one
> particular language.
If the people who spoke it were traders it would. Cf. English
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Traders usually leave about no traces at all.
CF. Phoenicians.
And be they traders or not, those Veneti, wherever they came from, were not
spreading in a human vacuum.
At that time (- 2000 BC) about all Europe is covered by Indo-European
Agricultural people.
Arnaud
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> Which color on the map do you choose for Venetic ?
>
> Red seems to be Gaulish (or Celtic).
> Orange is nice for NWB.
>
> What about purple/pink ?
Forget the colors on the map and look at the list of 'Distribution and
local groups'.
First, since they were involved in trade, they tended to settle in
portage areas between the heads of rivers, eg. Lake Constance
(Rhine/Danube/Ticino), Vesontio/Besançon (Rhine/Rhone) etc. The map
makers have assumed they filled out the territory around those places.
Second, there are no 'local groups' correspond8ing to their 'northern
Urnfield culture (orange)'
Third, the 'Terramare culture (blue)' is concentrtated in Northern
Italy (Po valley) and Dalmatia. That's Adriatic Veneti territory.
So: Red, Blue, Blue-grey and Purple (and possibly Brown), with the
slimmimg provisos I mentioned.
BTW, on the *dran,W- rivers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekschuit
Torsten
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Why should they be the first to settle along these rivers ?
They had received some divine preemptive right ?
What about the people who arrived on these spots before ?
Arnaud
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