Re: Belgs

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud Fournet" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> >>
> >> Could you please explain this scenario ?
> >
> > Okulicz' scenario is so complicated I still struggle to
> > comprehend it.
> > Joz^ef S^avli/Matej Bor don't have any.
> > Myself, I won't make up my mind before I get my head around the
> > many details in Okulicz' scenario.
> >
> > Traditionally Venetic has been associated with Urnfield cultures.
> > Torsten
> >
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture
>
> Such a culture : late and widespread can hardly coincide with one
> particular language.

If the people who spoke it were traders it would. Cf. English

> Which color on the map do you choose for Venetic ?
>
> Red seems to be Gaulish (or Celtic).
> Orange is nice for NWB.
>
> What about purple/pink ?

Forget the colors on the map and look at the list of 'Distribution and
local groups'.
First, since they were involved in trade, they tended to settle in
portage areas between the heads of rivers, eg. Lake Constance
(Rhine/Danube/Ticino), Vesontio/Besançon (Rhine/Rhone) etc. The map
makers have assumed they filled out the territory around those places.
Second, there are no 'local groups' correspond8ing to their 'northern
Urnfield culture (orange)'
Third, the 'Terramare culture (blue)' is concentrtated in Northern
Italy (Po valley) and Dalmatia. That's Adriatic Veneti territory.

So: Red, Blue, Blue-grey and Purple (and possibly Brown), with the
slimmimg provisos I mentioned.

BTW, on the *dran,W- rivers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trekschuit


Torsten