From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60767
Date: 2008-10-10
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From: kishore patnaik
Arnaud wrote:
"Varuna is basically a fearsome deity, when Mitra is friendly
and the pair of deities is found elsewhere
that's the point.
This destroys your claim that Varuna is indic.
Only the name is."
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My reply :
Varuna is not basically fearsome. He is basically friendly.
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Read again the RgVeda.
70% of it talks about the feat of Indra killing the water-blocking monster
Vrtra, send by Varuna.
Varuna is hostile to mankind, contrary to Mitra.
You don't undertand your own source !
Arnaud
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Arnaud wrote:
" You claimed Varuna first grew,
This part of your theory is unsupported."
I have already given several quotations in which Varuna was attested as a
Monarchial God. this attests that he was the most prominent god at one
point of itme. I can not see what is your objection, unless you post it with
some references and discussion.
Kishore patnaik
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No,
That's absurd for at least three reasons.
1. Varuna, as a theonym, is a late Indian creation.
The general development of Indian religion is a blurring-out of diffences
between deities ultimately leading to monotheism.
With some delay when compared to Iranian mazdaism.
Varuna never was monarchical.
2. In the structural interplay of Varuna-Mitra as reconstructed by Dumezil,
There is no real hierarchy. It's a functional division not a stratified
division.
3. PIE religion must have inherited its roots and ground-work from some
earlier hunter-gatherer religion,
and in that kind of society, there is no hierarchy.
Even if you prove that Varuna was monarchial whatever, something i doubt,
it will only serve to confirm the statues of Varuna as a late Indian only
post-PIE creation,
without any relevance for PIE-stage.
In other words:
Pre-PIE = no hierarch
PIE = functional division of deities
A long time after PIE :
India = creation of the theonym Varuna
Arnaud
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