Res: Res: [tied] Odysseus

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 60682
Date: 2008-10-08

Maybe Deukalion is a dissimilated form of older *Dleukalion.

Suffix -ion appeared in names like Kedalion.
suffix -al- appeared in names like Daidalos, Thessalos, Ke:phalos

So, we should see Deukalion as *dleuk-al-ion.
Glaukos and Lykos had no suffix < *dlauk-os; *dlu:kos

Leukastos (Arkadian Lykaon's son) and Lykastos had the same suffix:
*Dleuk-asto- / Dlu:k-asto-

Lykaon should be included in this group: *dlu:k-a(F)on ?

Odysseus < *dlu:k-sehu-, same suffix as in Perseus? < *per-sehu-

JS Lopes

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Outubro de 2008 8:01:18
Assunto: Res: [tied] Odysseus

Although I don't know its meaning, I believe it's plausible a *dl- cluster for Deukalion (both Prometheus's son and Minos's son), because I see a possible connection with other anthroponyms as Lykos (Prometheus' s son, Hyrieus's son and Poseidon's son) and Glaukos (Minos's son and Sisyphos's son). But the language would not be "regular" Greek, should be dialectal Pre-Greek substrata, with divergent shifts
Deukalion  < *dleuk-
Lykos, Lykastos, Lyko:ros < *dlu:k
Glaukos < *dlauk-
Odysseus/Oulyxe: s < *o-dlu(:)k-sehu-

pelea "poplar" points to a *tp- cluster due its allomorph ptelea, and its possible cognate Slavic topol-. Similar case in ptolemos/polemos "war, battle". Lykos was the name of many Greek rivers.

JS Lopes



----- Mensagem original ----
De: Arnaud Fournet <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 8 de Outubro de 2008 5:19:28
Assunto: Re: [tied] Odysseus


----- Original Message -----
From: "stlatos" <stlatos@... com>
>
> An IE language spoken in Greece before Hellenic settlement added a
> before some consonant clusters beginning a word: *tpelyo- > apellon
> 'black poplar', *trktro- > atraktos 'spindle', *tlaxa:ns > Atla:s.
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Thank you for providing new examples of a-mobile in IE.
Apellon is direct from a-pellon
(no need for a t- otherwise it should be **aptellon)
Arnaud
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>
> Since Deukalion is supposed to come from *dleuk-sxalyo- 'sweet /
> freshwater sailor' < *dlukus 'sweet / freshwater' and *sxal 'salt,
> seawater'
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Out of *dleuk-sH2alyo- , I would expect **leuksalio
And should this not be better constructed as *dleuk-o-sH2alyo- ?

Arnaud


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