From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60607
Date: 2008-10-06
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From: "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
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> Yes,
> This rule works for many words, full, flat, shoulder, etc.
I've seen your reconstructions for full and flat. In one of them
there's no trace in ST of the /y/ you posit in the data. I assume you
have a reconstruction for 'shoulder'. Can I see it? What are the other
ones (the etc part)?
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My reconstructions for flat and full are just a marginal improvement over
Baxter's work.
If I dare use the word improvement.
The word shoulder, I guess I already have spoken about it.
shoulder < *s-kl-tr
Root is k_l
Uralic *kay- "shoulder" attested in "armpit"
Chinese *koyin
Arnaud
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> If you have something else to propose, please do.
> Arnaud
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Actually I've done that already: the ST *pl- "full" and "flat" roots
were loaned into various AA and IE and other languages as part of a
'Kulturkugel', a set of 'Wörter und Sachen' connected with the
fundamentals of agriculture, part of the interconnected
theological/practical set of words on the skeleton of
*(a)p/bh-r/l-
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Op.html
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html
which is why it is present in so many language families (the Peter
Bellwood hypothesis).
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Personally I would not mix everything up in this way.
I don't understand the relationship between your references
and the words full and flat.
Arnaud
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>
> A better
> understanding of the variational processes at work in TB and ST
> word-families has enabled us to decide more accurately whether sets
> of forms that bear partial phonosemantic resemblances to each other
> are really variants of the same etymon or etymologically
> independent.
> ============
> Note the words : variational, partial, resemblance, variant.
> I'm afraid this claim is not supported.
> Everything works in Matisoff 's "modelization".
> Arnaud
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Could you be more specific as to what part of this 'better
understanding' you disapprove of?
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Well, I think I have already given specific points :
- brin "full" is not ST,
- the morpho-phonological modelization of Matissoff is too lax
etc
Arnaud
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