Sequani turnaround (Was: Re: Haplogroup I)

From: tgpedersen
Message: 60552
Date: 2008-10-01

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> --- On Tue, 9/30/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> when he claims has has been attacked by "omnes
> > Galliae civitates", then that is from his point of view what had
> > happened.
> >
> > GK: We don't know what Ariovistus said. Caesar wrote DBG.
> What C. wrote A. said was damning to Caesar, so much that Dio
> Cassius could use it against him.
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> ****GK: Cassius Dio does not confirm your fantasy of a common
> assault of Aedui and Sequani against Ariovistus before Caesar's
> involvement.
That's not what I said. Dio Cassius draws the general conclusion that
Cesar started without sufficient grounds, and one of the things that
would give him that impression is Caesar's account of the negotiation.

> And DBG 6:12 confirms the traditional account.****

DBG 6:12 doesn't mention any conflict between the Sequani and
Ariovistus at all.

> The account of what A. said is so full of
> internally consistent details that it must come from secretarial
> notes, C. would have seen to were taken in such an important
> negotiation.
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> > And we know his loose use of "Galli" and "Gallia".
> We know your loose use of it to make your story stick.
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> ****GK:I prefer Caesar's story (along with established
> historiography) to yours. If you can't understand (or won't
> understand) what you read,that's your problem.****
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> > Give it up, Torsten.You can't win this one.
> Yes, that is now your last hope.
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> ****GK: Frankly my dear Torsten, I don't give a damn (:=)) You're
> welcome to your fantasies if they make you happy. They won't play
> in the league of serious historians.****
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> > (Torsten)In general, people get a lot of enjoyment out of kicking
> > the loser. Historians are definitely no exception. That standard
> > version is at odds with elementary psychology.
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> > GK: Torsten psychology is not elementary psychology. (:=)))
> Whatever. Anything concrete?
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> ****GK: That very question.****
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And the rest was from the bottom of the barrel.


Torsten