Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: Comparative Notes on Hurro-Urartian, Northern

From: Arnaud Fournet
Message: 60497
Date: 2008-09-29

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
>
>>> stel&- To extend. (Oldest form *stel&2-.) Zero-grade
>>> form *stl.&-. 1. Suffixed form *stl.&-to-. LATITUDE;
>>> DILATE, from Latin <la:tus>, broad, wide.
>
>> ok, but the problem is Baltic has *e grade in some words.
>> Hence there was no reduction to stl- in PIE.
>
> That is a complete non sequitur, and illogical besides. The
> Latin word shows the expected zero grade of the root.

>> It does not refute my statement that tl-(vowel) is
>> impossible in PIE and changes to -tr-(vowel).
>
> It does.
========

No it does not,

For two reasons :
1. Analogical leveling :
Baltic shows that the full grade *stelH2 existed,
for that matter, the -l- could be recreated any time.
2. this is not a case of *tl-vowel > tr-vowel.

I have never stated that tlHC should be trHC.
Apparently, it's not the case,
if we accept that latus goes back to a PIE-stage *stlH2tos,
with no analogical refections anytime from PIE down to Latin.

In the case of *tleyes > *treyes, there is no word with which analogical
leveling could be exerted.

Arnaud