Re: Horses' Asses and the Indo-European Homeland

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 60493
Date: 2008-09-29

A few additional comments just to round things out.
I believe pre-Pontic PIE *kaH- is isolatable as a root with a core meaning of 'goat' (probably [kaH]) <- 'intensely desirous, lusting'..
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Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:58 AM
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Of course, there is also PIE *ka:-, 'desire', identical in PIE form to my postulated *ka:-, '*bee'.
I believe it is the result of compositional reduction from*kaH-.
Does anyone have an idea on how they might be distinguished _formally_?
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Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:49 AM
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Two other words that tend to support  *ka(:)-, 'bee', are **ka(:)-i-wo- , 'hive', and *ka(:)-r- , 'wax'.
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 2:35 PM
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The process has been described at least a hundred times on this list and other related lists:
Aspiration [h] becomes voiced [H] which is assimilated to the quality of the following vowel: [H] + [a] -> [a]  + [a]  -> [aa].
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--- In cybalist@..., "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@ ...>
> The ultimate root involved in these words is one of the more
> interesting roots in PIE.
> In its pre-Pontic PIE form it was *kha-, which became *ka(:)-
> in post-Pontic PIE; its core meaning is 'bee'.

It's amazing how you use such a declarative tone, as if
pre-Pontic PIE were established reality, or the meaning
'bee' anything but your own poorly informed speculation.

Why would aspiration in _front_ of a vowel ever lead to
its lengthening? Do you know anything at all about the
sorts of sound changes that actually take place in real
human languages? Did an aspirated stop suddenly split
into a sequence of a stop followed by an 'h'? Did the
'h' then somehow move to the other side of the vowel so
it could later disappear leaving a lengthened vowel?

We've seen you use this trick again and again and again
in order to link forms you suppose aspirated with ones
unaspirated, to link forms with a short vowel with ones
with a long one. It's just a sleight-of-hand game, to
obtain as much leeway as possible to connect words you
fancy related.

> A arbitrary selection of typical actions and associated ideas
> produced derivatives like
> 1. *ka(: )-+n-, 'sing' ('hum');
> 2. and, of course *ka(: )-+d-, 'sting ('damage')';
> i
> 3. and subjectively: 3. *ka(: )-+i-, 'burn(ing pain)';
> 4. while, mental 'pain' is built from the same root, stress-
> accented differently: *k^a(: )-+d- (**k-y-a(: )-+d-), producing
> metathesis;
> 5. this secondarily palatalized root also lives on in *k^a(:)
> -+t-, 'fight' ('hew'), and *k^a(:)-+d-, 'fall', both of which
> refer to a bee's diving to attack, I.e. descending rapidly and
> producing 'stinging' (cf. 'hail').

Watch the ball. Where its stops, nobody knows.

--- In cybalist@..., "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@ ...>
> Not one single non-PIE root has been mentioned in this short
> presentation.

What you start with, before smashing and rearranging the
bits to your liking and applying new meanings, are often
P.I.E. roots indeed. Your full expositions, such as the
one quoted above, however, fall without a doubt under the
category of crackpot speculation forbidden by cybalist's
rules of behavior.

--- In cybalist@..., "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@ ...>
> David,
> it is your bigotry and senseless provocation to which I refer -
> nor Torsten's.

Any supposed bigotry and senseless provocation on my behalf
is as much a product of your own imagination as your roots,
meanings, and changes. You're a bit slow on the uptake,
Patrick, or you'd realize that I'm just rattling Torsten's
cage, just as he so often does to me.

Besides the pastry for which I make pilgrimages to Solvang,
a Danish colony in California, I have no idea what Danish
food tastes like, or what, besides Abba whose songs I love,
Scandinavian music might be.

Actually, I've had also a sweet-and-sour red-cabbage dish
available as a side dish in every restaurant I've been to
in Solvang. You wouldn't happen to know the name of that
dish, would you, Torsten, so I can find a recipe for it?