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From: david_russell_watson <liberty@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:42:00 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Horses' Asses and the Indo-European Homeland
examples all involve diphthongs. In other words
the /ey@/ in 'eggs' is as much a single phoneme in
that dialect as the /E/ in 'eggs' is in yours (?)
and mine, or to use another diphthong as an example,
the /eI/ in 'say'. I would include the /waa/ of
'coffee', which I assume was a rounded vowel before
becoming a diphthong?
However see Brian's P.Scand. examples just posted,
in which, what I suppose to have been, originally
diphthongal vowels were apparently able to later
split into sequences of a glide and a pure vowel.
David
The "eggs" example is the way some of my cousins in SW West Virginia speak. I say /Egz/. I'm guessing it's somehow related to the first step in Brian's examples.
From: david_russell_watson <liberty@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:42:00 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Horses' Asses and the Indo-European Homeland
--- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ ...>
wrote:
> In cyablist@... s.com, David wrote:I'm not familiar with those.
>
> > My question to the list in general is this: during the
> > evolution of any language has a single phoneme ever been
> > seen to split into two or more; merge yes, but split?
>
> David
> Do any of Trask's unpacking examples achieve this?
> Do any examples of Southern or NYC vowels do this?I don't know for sure. It seems to me that these
> e.g. coffee /kaafiy/ > /kwaafiy/ among some NYC area
> speakers --although this may be due to Irish Gaelic
> adstrate eggs /Egz/ > /ey@.../, pin /pIn/ > /pi@.../ etc.
> among some Appalachian speakers
examples all involve diphthongs. In other words
the /ey@/ in 'eggs' is as much a single phoneme in
that dialect as the /E/ in 'eggs' is in yours (?)
and mine, or to use another diphthong as an example,
the /eI/ in 'say'. I would include the /waa/ of
'coffee', which I assume was a rounded vowel before
becoming a diphthong?
However see Brian's P.Scand. examples just posted,
in which, what I suppose to have been, originally
diphthongal vowels were apparently able to later
split into sequences of a glide and a pure vowel.
David
I have also heard /ey@...@/ BION!
You also hear "God" as /gaa@.../, /gaaw@.../, etc.
Another thing is in "agitated" or "emotional" public speaking when a "ghosted" vowel, usually a schwa is added to the final syllable. Jimmy Swaggart, who was my uncle's cousin (as was also Larry Flynt) was famous for referring to the "Holy Ghost-uh"
.