Re[4]: [tied] Re: The OIT state of the art

At 11:59:33 AM on Friday, September 19, 2008, Arnaud Fournet wrote:

> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>

>> At 3:59:39 AM on Friday, September 19, 2008, Arnaud
>> Fournet wrote:

>>> Anyway, the premise of Venneman that words should only
>>> travel from south to north at that time is wrong.

>>> Norse Marhshalk > OF marechal > E Marshall

>> The OFr isn't from ON; it's from Late Latin <mariscalcus>,
>> attested in the 6th century in the sense 'groom' and in the
>> 9th century as 'commander of an army'. This in turn is from
>> the Continental Gmc. compound represented by OHG
>> <marahskalk> and OSax. <maraskalk>.

> Well,
> This is only half true.
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/24/M0122400.html

I know what the AHD says; ATILF/Trésor takes the same view,
which is the traditional one. But the fact that it appears
in a Latin form in the 6th century shows that shows that the
borrowing was not into OFr, but into Late Latin or
Gallo-Romance (unless there was a second, later borrowing).

Brian