Re: More on Italian briga, brigare, and brigante

--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@... >
wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@... s.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@ > wrote:
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> > Then there are these:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Brig
> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Brigantine
> >
> > ...
> > So we could imagine it was a trading seafaring people, a kind of
> > early Hanse, which took to piracy when it fell on hard times?
>
> The term brigantine has nothing to do with the ancient Brigantes.
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> http://www.etymonli ne.com/index. php?l=b&p= 18
> "brigantine -- 'small two-masted ship', 1525, from M.Fr. brigandin,
> from It. brigantino.. ."
>
> It. brigantino is first attested in the 14th century, namely, two
> centuries earlier than Eng. brigantine. The It. term may have
> derived either directly from the verb brigare (in its secondarily
> evolved meaning as 'to fight') or indirectly from its substantived
> participle brigante (in its secondarily evolved meaning
> as 'fighter').
>
> Eng. brig is a diminutive form of brigantine.

Yes, that's what the dictionaries say.
But look at this:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Square_rig
Bark and brig are principally square-rigged.
Barkentine and brigantine are hybrid square-rigged and fore-and-aft
rigged.
So it would seem those endings mean something like "-like", and that
'brigantine' is derived from 'brig', not the other way round.

The square rig is considered to be a northern thing.
http://www.squareri gsailing. com/

Further a frigate is square-rigged too;
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Frigate
the word is of unknown origin
http://www.encyclop edia.com/ doc/1O27- frigate.html

So, *bhrig-, with bh > b and bh > f in different dialects (and is
'bark' another version, from another dialect)?

so if a brig is related to bregar

then a frigate, fregata is related to fregar ;p

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