Re: Vandals

At 4:18:56 AM on Thursday, August 28, 2008, tgpedersen
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "indravayu" <sonno3@...>
> wrote:

>>>> Gambrivii - likely related to Old High German gambar
>>>> "vigorous".

>>> And the Germanic and IE cognates are?

>> Ummm...didn't I just give you one (OHD gambar)?

> Yes, and I asked for the rest.

>> See the following article for more info, including
>> etymological speculation:

>> http://books.google.com/books?
>> id=mjnpsC6Lq4QC&pg=PA407&lpg=PA407&dq=gambar,+gambrivii&
>> source=web&ots=XKEG8QCNln&sig=T1_UBzubG5Ww3AOq1R0WX5KeJvI&hl=en&
>> sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

> You should use tinyurl.

> There is no way around the conclusion that Gambrivii and
> Sugambri are related. If those names are Germanic, so is
> su-, which makes it a once-only in Germanic. Not tenable.

If you'd bothered to read the passage in question, you'd
know of OIc <súsvo,rt>, there glossed 'Schwarzamsel'. In
'Barlaams ok Josaphats saga' it seems to be a name for the
nightingale:

Einn veiðimaðr tok einn fugll með list. þann er heitir
filomena a latinv. en a norreno [heitir susvort |
susuaurtt]. sumir kalla oc [niktigalo | niktigala].

<http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=U74yeskSxfoC>, p.
39.

[...]

>>> The -w-/-b- alternation presents an unexplained problem.
>>> It seems to be connected to the Veneti (see earlier
>>> posts).

>> It was not uncommon for -v- and -b- to be confused in
>> Latin texts.

> This is too early for that.

Oh? What's the earliest extant ms. of Tacitus?

[...]

>>>> Vandilii seems like it is derived from Gmnc *wandiloz
>>>> "wanderer".

>>> Supposedly connected to PIE *wendh-. The -a-, like that
>>> of Vandili, is unexplained.

>> According to whom?

> According to me. But it's a general problem in traditional
> Germanic etymology; people assume various ablaut grades
> without any external reason.

If it's derived from a <-jan> verb, the o-grade is expected.

Brian