Re: Vandals

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "indravayu" <sonno3@...> wrote:

>
>
> > > Gambrivii - likely related to Old High German gambar "vigorous".
> >
> > And the Germanic and IE cognates are?
>
> Ummm...didn't I just give you one (OHD gambar)?

Yes, and I asked for the rest.

>
> See the following article for more info, including etymological
> speculation:
> http://books.google.com/books?
> id=mjnpsC6Lq4QC&pg=PA407&lpg=PA407&dq=gambar,+gambrivii&
> source=web&ots=XKEG8QCNln&sig=T1_UBzubG5Ww3AOq1R0WX5KeJvI&hl=en&
> sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

You should use tinyurl.

There is no way around the conclusion that Gambrivii and Sugambri are
related. If those names are Germanic, so is su-, which makes it a
once-only in Germanic. Not tenable.

> > > Suevi is supposed to be a derivative of the Germanic root *swe-
> > > denoting kinship, this is related to OHG swio, geswio "brother
> > > in law" (sister's husband). O. Szemeryeni suggested that Suebi
> > > represents a Germanic development of PIE *swe-bhu:- "growth,
> > > offspring, belonging to the joint family clan" ("Studies in the
> > > Kinship Terminology of the Indo European Languagess"; 1977; p.
> > > 46).
> >
> > The -w-/-b- alternation presents an unexplained problem. It seems
> > to be connected to the Veneti (see earlier posts).
>
> It was not uncommon for -v- and -b- to be confused in Latin texts.

This is too early for that.
Here's my solution:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54560

> > > Vandilii seems like it is derived from Gmnc *wandiloz
> > > "wanderer".
> >
> > Supposedly connected to PIE *wendh-. The -a-, like that of
> > Vandili, is unexplained.
>
> According to whom?

According to me. But it's a general problem in traditional Germanic
etymology; people assume various ablaut grades without any external
reason.


Torsten