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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A." <xthanex@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "indravayu" <sonno3@> wrote:
> >
> > > Or is the reconstructed Proto-
> > > Celtic term based solely upon Nodens?
> >
> > It's based on the Latinized Nodens as well as Irish Nuado (gen.
> > Nuadat), Middle Welsh Nudd and perhaps Old Welsh *Nu[d]int
> > (Latinized as Nu[d]inti in an early medieval stone inscription)
> > and Old Breton Nodent (if the first element of this name is not
> > actually an entirely different word cognate with Welsh nawdd,
> > Irish snad- "protect").
> >
> > - Chris Gwinn
> >
>
> My thanks again!
> So the reconstructed Proto-Celtic term is based entirely upon the
> various different versions of the personal names Nodens, Nuado,
> Nudd ... all which are basically the same figure. Do I understand
> correctly that there are no other terms which stem from the Proto-
> Celtic *noudont/*noudant , as in no impersonal terms such as a noun
> to describe an item or a verb to describe an action such as
> (hypothetically) using or fishing?
Dansk Etymologisk Ordbog:
'nyde v.
ODa niude, nytæ, Nw nyte, Sw. njuta, ON njóta, OS niotan, OHG niozan,
Germ geniessen, OE ne:otan,
from PGmc *neutan "enjoy";
older meaning in Goth ganiutan "catch", meaning-extension via
"possess". From PIE neu-d- "catch something desirable, employ" like
Goth nuta "catcher, fisher", Lith. naudà "usefulness, gain, property",
nau~dyti "desire" ...
...
I nytte c.,
ODa nyttæ, Nw nytte, Sw nytta.
Most likely mix-up of several forms. ODa nyt, nøt, OSw nyt,
ON nyt f., gn. nytjar, MLG niette, OHG nuzzi, nuzza, Grem. Nutzen, OE
nytt;
from PGmc *nu:tio:- f., in ablaut relationship to nyde ["enjoy"]
Regularly corresponds to this ODa nyt, nøt in nom., but e.g. in gen.
one should have had nyttiæ, nyttæ, (cf. to II nytte). From this or
from (influence of) Low German one might have the nord. forms in -tt-.
Cf. nyttig
II nytte v.,
ODa nyttiæ, nyttæ, Nw nytte, OSw nytia, Sw nyttja, ON nytja, MLG
nutten, OHG nuzzen, Germ nützen,;
from PGmc *nutjan, in ablaut relationship to 'nyde'. The Da. (and Nw.)
form might have been influenced by or loaned from MLG. The Da. form
however seems mainly to have arisen from ODa nytæ "enjoy" (see nyde)
with analogical reshaping after pret. nytti (cf. II knytte, skøtte)
...
II nød: "necessity, dire straits",
ODa nødh, Nw nø(d), nau, OSw nøþ, Sw nöd, ON nauð(r) f., Got nauþs
"coercion", OS no:d, OHG no:t, Germ Not, OE ne:ad, ni:ed, Eng need,
from PGmc *nauði-. PIE n&u-ti-, whence also OPr nautin acc. "need",
on the root see narhval.
...
nøde "force, persuade";
ODa nøthæ, Nw nø(de), OSw nøþa (Sw now only in ppp nödd "forced (by
circumstances)", ON neyða, Goth nauþjan, OS no:dian, MLG no:den, OHG
no:tian, nöten, Germ. nöten, OE ni:edan, Eng need ...
'
I wonder if some of the river names in *not- are related
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50509
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50510
and see 08not.jpg in 'Placenames untouched by Grimm, maps 08-12, 16'
in 'Maps from Udolph ' in the File section.
Good fishing rivers?
In spite of the explanations given I think the existence of a root
with and without gemination points to 'Chattic', at least for the
Germanic part.
Torsten