From: george knysh
Message: 59750
Date: 2008-08-03
--- On Sat, 8/2/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
Here is my version.
I realized last night this is what might have happened.
I felt sick.
When the Przeworsk
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Przeworsk_ culture
and Zarubintsy
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Zarubintsy_ culture
cultures made contact, they mixed, and a (more or less forced)
division of labor arose: Slavic (from Zarubintzy) speaking farmers,
Germanic (from Przeworsk) speaking predators/rulers.
****GK: I'm out of town for a couple of weeks, and away from my materials. But I can tell you right now that this version of yours won't work on the aforestated basis. I won't get into the errors of the wikipedia sources (except to mention one too funny to omit: the chornolis'ka kultura (called "chernoles" in the Przeworsk wiki) ended in the mid-7th century BCE, replaced by a variant of the Scythian culture). The main problem you have here is that the only archaeologically significant "mixing" of Zarubinian and Przeworsk cultures ocurred not sooner than 50 CE (in the area of today's Western Ukraine). It resulted in the creation of the hybrid "Zubrytska" culture, in which Zarubinian elements were dominant. The "takeover" in this area was (1) initially by the Dacian Costoboci (probable carriers of the Lypytska culture) who seem to have been the most important political group until the second half of the 2nd c. CE; (2) subsequently by incoming Vandals.
These were indeed Przeworskers, but their brief dominance over Costobocans and mixed Zubrytskans only lasted for a few years; (3) finally by the Goths, at which time all the prior elements were assimilated into the Chernyakhiv culture.*****
A number of
people, refugees from the Mithridatic war north of the Black sea
arrives, carrying I1a, once carried by only a small group of people.
Somehow a few of them take over.
****GK: How old would these "refugees from the Mithridatic war" have been in the period posterior to 50 CE (:=)))?*****