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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
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> Putting Torsten's usual fantasies aside ("Carpi" BTW does very well
as an ethnonym related to the mountains, and is neatly attested for
the 3rd c.AD, and for the Gothic period if you please), and leaving
the Charudes and Ariovistus where they belong, let's look at
something more worthwhile.
>
> The Croats clearly enter history as players in and around the Avar
political context. C. Porphyrogenitos cites Byzantine administrative
material from the the time of Heraclius[610-641] (DAI c. 30 wr. ca.
951), where he makes some interesting points: (a)The use of the
term "Belochrovatia" ("White Croatia") indicates the Slavic
component; but (b) The names of the leaders of the Croatian migration
to their new homeland are hardly Slavic.
>
> Does Gol/ab offer any theories as to these names?
>
> They are (I transliterate fro0m Bury): KLUKAS. LOVELOS.
KOSENTZES. MU(K)HLO. KHROVATOS (B's conjecture. Cld be something else)
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According to P. Skok (ERHSJ, pp. 690-692) there are many assumptions
about the meaning of ethnicon Hrvat. The problem is: does ato is
part of the root or is a suffix? Maretic thinks that it is suffix and
this is linked to Prophirogenet's etymology that word `hrvati' in
Slavonic languages means the ones that posses big amount of land, so
the word was connected to Greek hora `land' and suffix at (of the
type brkat, plecat, krakat). Among the first attempts to be
etymologically explained was made by Tome Archdeacon, who ethnonym
Hrvat linked to with Curetes=Curibantes and later the attempt of
Jurja Ratkaja (1652), who this name connect with the verb (h)rvati.
This name was also connected with the name of Bulgarian khan Kuvrata
(7th century), with the mountain Karpati and with the name of
historic Sarmati. Mikloich connects it with hruv/hr&v `dance',
Danicic with sar- `to conserve, protect', Geitler with sarv-
`armour', Otir with ch&rvata `mountain', Zupancic with churavat-
th `friends, nation'. According to Nahtigal it may be with non-Slavic
origin. Some linked it with Iranian name of Arkhontas
Khoroathos/Khorouathos and some historians think that it could be
connected with Persian-Iranian tribe Haravati and to they land
Harahvaiti (Sakac). This assumption was accepted by Vasmer, who
linked it with Old Iranian *(fu-) haurvata:- `shepherd', Avestian
pasu-haurva and haurvait `to protect, graze'. This tribe, according
to some historians, migrated from Asia to Don and here gives the name
to Slovenian nation, similarly like non-Slovenian Bulgarians give the
name to other Slovenian nation. Even this etymology was not accepted
by all.
By the way, close to Athens exists Albanian village Harvati, also in
Prespa lake exists also Harvati. No one knows how they are founded.
Konushevci