Re[2]: [tied] kitchen

At 1:59:52 AM on Monday, June 9, 2008, Rick McCallister
wrote:

> --- Carl Hult <Carl.Hult@...> wrote:

>> It's me again...

>> Elof Hellquist says:

>> "kök, jfr fsv. kökia f., 1500-t. o. ofta
>> på 1600-t.: köke n., motsv. no. kjok, da.
>> kvkken, från mlty. koke, kokene = fhty.
>> kachina (ty. kliché), ägs. cycene (eng.
>> kitchen); från mlat. cucina (;> fra.
>> cui-sine), av lat. coqulna, till coquo (se
>> koka)."

>> Etymonline.com says:

>> "O.E. cycene, from W.Gmc. *kocina (cf. M.Du. cökene,
>> O.H.G. chuhhina, Ger. Küche, Dan. kjøkken), probably
>> borrowed from V.L. *cocina (cf. Fr. cuisine, Sp. cocina),
>> variant of L. coquina "kitchen," from fem. of coquinus
>> "of cooks," from coquus "cook," from coquere "to cook"
>> (see cook (n.))."

>> I want to know whether Hellquist considers medieval latin
>> to be the same as vulgar latin or a continuation of
>> vulgar latin.

> I don't know what Helquist says but my understanding
> is that Medieval Latin is essentially Classical Latin
> pronounced as Italian with loanwords to make it up to
> date, i.e. Church Latin.

The term 'medieval Latin' generally refers to post-Classical
Latin written in the Middle Ages; this is a rather long
period, so the term covers a lot of ground, but in my
experience the emphasis is on the written, hence scholarly,
language. Its pronunciation varied over time and from place
to place, as did its differences from Classical Latin.
Those differences are not only lexical and orthographic, but
also morphological and syntactical.

'Late Latin' is often used more or less synonymously with
'Vulgar Latin', and both emphasize the spoken language.
Since the 'kitchen' word is found in OE (<cycene>) and OHG
(<chuhhîna>), it must have been borrowed fairly early from a
VLat. <cuci:na, coci:na>.

[...]

> It depends on when Medieval times begin --at the fall of
> the Roman Empire or at the end of the Dark Ages.

By and large historians nowadays eschew the term 'Dark
Ages' altogether (except in the specialist collocation 'Dark
Age Britain').

Brian