[substratumlanguages] Re: Our Celtic roots lie in Spain and Portugal

From: tgpedersen
Message: 58696
Date: 2008-05-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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> --- reig_vidal <reig_vidal@...> wrote:
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> > >
> > > I've have read postings that the Celts of the lower
> > > Baetis were not Celtiberians but rather were Gauls or
> > > spoke a Celtic language related to Gaulish. Is there
> > > any truth to that? Any information to back that up?
> > >
> >
> > There is this statement of Pliny (N.H., III, 3, 13): "The Celtici
> > arriving from Lusitania originate from the Celtiberians, and this
> > is manifested through the religious rites, the language, and the
> > names of the oppida, which are identified in Baetica by their
> > cognomen: Seria, which is called Fama Iulia, Nertobriga, which is
> > called Concordia Iulia, Segida, called Restituta Iulia...".
> >
> > also archaeologicaly this origin could be seen in their tombs, as
> > in Celtiberia emerges a kind of sepulture where the urn is
> > deposited under a quadricular paved-stone and such kind of
> > burial will be the most common in the area in the Iron Age
> > changing dramaticaly the previous funerary customs (and language
> > surely...)
> >
> > other problem comes to be with Lusitianians (living in Central
> > Portugal), which had a language akin to celt but it was not celt,
> > and for them it comes a big mistery since celts arrived with their
> > urnfield culture where Lusitanians and all peoples living in the
> > Atlantic peninsular fringe had funerary customs unkown to us since
> > no archaeological remains have been left (they could give corpses
> > to vultures... or burn corpses and pour the ashes in rivers...),
> > but they were definetively IE... but from when such IE peoples
> > were stablished there ? they arrived with the Bell Beakers ?? if
> > they descend from Bell Beakers it would mean that North France,
> > Benelux and England speaked languages akin to Lusitanian ?
> >
> I'm copying this to Torsten Pedersen on Cybalist --he's been doing a
> lot with NorthWestBlock, which may or may not be linked to Venetic.
> Some have linked Lusitanian to Ligurian, Venetic and Illyrian.
> Others to Q-Italic. Some to a proto-CeltiC that maintained /p/.
> If Lusitanian is linked to the NWB area, it might support what
> Torsten has to say

Thanks. I'll put it in the pot to simmer ;-)


Torsten