Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Alexandru Moeller <alxmoeller@...>
wrote:

>
> alexandru_mg3 schrieb:
>
> > e>ea and o>oa was trigered by a,&,e
> >
> > Why you exclude e? (> soare)
> >
> > Marius
>
>
> first please note I will post a longer article on Balkanika about

the

> diphtongation of "e" and "o" in Romania. For now, please just

remember

> that the diphtongation btw the yotacisation stoped much eralier

when the

> next syllable was "e". As you said before, it seems the time it

stoped

> has been as the Slavs came. In the words where the next unstressed

vowel

> is/was "ã", it seems the the rule is stil working today, I have to
> search a bit more for some examples.
> I have my toughts that "e" was perceived once as "ã" or it was a

certain

> "e" who was perceived as "ã", I don't know exactly, I am just about

to

> compile some data here and that is plenty of material to verify,
> including Albanian for seeing if there is something interesting.
>
>
> Alex

Alex, this is the full rule regarding Romanian ea
I quote fully Rosetti
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"ea'. e accentuat urmat in silaba imediat urmatoare de a(ã) sau e
a fost diftongat la ea, in aceleasi conditii ca si ye (v. mai sus;
pentru o, v. mai jos p. 42 s,.u.), in elementele din vechiul fond,
iar in elementele slave patrunse in limba la o epoca veche, numai
cand e era urmat de a(ã)"

To resume in English:
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The rule was active till the oldest Slavic layer but in addition
for that Old Slavic layer only an a(ã) context could still trigger it.
But for 'the ancient set of words' e/accented > ea when if is
followed in the next syllable by a(ã) sau e.


BUT EVEN MORE:
For Hungarian Loans in Romanian (later loans comparing with
Slavics ones): /ea/ or /ye/ are not applicable AT ALL ==> see Rosetti
either in my previous post.

In addition Magh. /ü/ in üveg is rendered by /i/ by Romanian see il&u

Marius

P>S> Of course, I would read what you said if you indicate me that
message no again.