From: george knysh
Message: 57876
Date: 2008-04-23
> >http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubieszewo_(powiat_gryficki)
> > > Let me rephrase.
> > > Can those objects which appear in the Lubieszewo
> graves be placed
> > > in a morpho-temporal sequence such that preforms
> of them exist
> > > already in pre-Roman Przeworsk non-princely
> graves (I'm trying
> > > to sound like a German archaeologist here), or
> do they (or some of
> > > them) appear to represent something new and
> hitherto unknown?
> > >
> > >
> > > Torsten
> >
> > GK: One would have to study the objects very
> > specifically. In truth, there is nothing in the
> Polish
> > Wiki descriptions which suggests dramatic
> discoveries
> > after such analyses, at least not in the actual
> six
> > Lubieszewo princely graves discovered 100 years
> ago or
> > so:
> >
> >
>
> >****GK: What exactly is your scenario at this
> > We have inhumations in wooden chambers, covered or
> > circled by stones, under kurgans. The mentioned
> > objects are bronze wine goblets, silver and glass
> > vases (with depictions of gladiatorial contests in
> > Rome) and "many local products" (presumably of the
> > type which would be found in non-princely graves).
> A
> > "local Germanic dynasty" they say.
> >
>
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> http://tinyurl.com/4cqyqb
> '... ist ... das Elbgebiet nicht repräsentativ für
> die Gräber vom Typ
> Lübsow. ... Bezüglich der fehlende Fürstengräber vom
> Typ Lübsow im
> Rhein-Weser-Gebiet macht er darauf auifmerksam, dass
> sich dies nicht
> unbedingt aus der Sozialstruktur erklären lässt; die
> römischen
> Historiker sprechen nämlich von einem Adel auch
> dort. Der Verf. erhebt
> somit die Frage, ob die Gräber vom Lübsow-Typ neben
> ihrer sozialen
> Aussage auch eine Kulturelle Erscheinung seien.'
> " ... the Elbe area [is] not representative of the
> Lübsow type graves
> ... Wrt. the the lack of princely Lübsow type graves
> in the
> Rhine-Weser area [the author] points out that this
> cannot necessarily
> be explained from the social structure; the Roman
> historians speak of
> a nobility also there. The author thus raises the
> question whether the
> Lübsow type graves beside their social statement
> might also be a
> cultural phenomenon."
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4ajzl8
> 'Lübsow-Gruppe
> Gruppe germanischer Gräber des 1. und frühen 2.
> Jahrhunderts in
> Nordböhmen, Großpolen, Pommern, Mecklenburg und
> Dänemark.'
> "Lübsow Group
> group of germanic graves of the 1st and early 2nd
> century in Norther
> Bohemia, Malopolska, Wielkopolska, Mecklenburg and
> Denmark"
>
>
> I don't think my scenario is in trouble here.
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>
> Torsten
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