Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tolgs001" <george_st@...> wrote:

>
> >I agree that could be an issue this one, but not so big
> >as a- > �-.
>
> I don't know the way, but I already mentioned some plausible way

So you don't know but you have tried to mention some plausible
ways...

>
> > If the original form was u-ya-(g&)
>
> It can't be: the word uiaga is the modern, today's form. We do
> not know how it was 500 or 1000 years ago (if it really is so
> old).

We know 1000 years ago whe the Hungarians arrived in Pannonia the
word was uyag& too : based on Albanian uj&
based on Romanian word noian 'imense waters'
based on Albanian - Romanian timeframes
based on the fact that Romanian didn't lose any
intervocalic -d- or -dr- etc...

> There is no *uyaga word in Hungarian whatsoever.

Of course not => the word is uveg

Sorry can you right something else in place of:
�v
�l
�ve-

I don't understand what you quote here...

>. But the other way
> around is okay, not only because uiaga is restricted to an
> area adjacent to present day Hungary and nowhere else, but also
> because it seems that in old Hungarian /v/ was pronounced /w/,

So you are supposing that Ossetic apaka: was awaka: at the loaning
moment in Hungarian ?

But from a supposed awaka: to uyaga is still a long way....

> a thing that seems to be proven by Romanian conservation of
> loanies where there's no /v/ where in the Hungarian variant
> there is one (today).

Correct here: Romanian-Substratum preserved very well w (with few
exceptions)

But awaga > uyaga? sound as bad as avg > uve

Could you see this?


(This correspondence is there even in

> an unexpected parallelism between the Hungarian particle
> vala /'vO-lO/ and Romanian oare in constructions such as
> oarecine=cineva, oarecare=careva, oareunde=undeva, carecand=
> candva, oarecum=cumva, i.e. valaki, valamelyk, valahol, valamikor,
> valahogy, corresponding to Germ. irgendwer, -welch-, -wo, -wann,
> -wie. In oare- constructions, oa- reflects the /w/ sound, in
> -va constructions, the Romanian languages keeps the /v/.

So care-va is a Hungarian Construction too?
This would be quite new for Rosetti either.

Marius