From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 57724
Date: 2008-04-20
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From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Rg Veda Older than Sanskrit (was: Ban all non
academic discussions)
> On 2008-04-20 08:55, Kishore patnaik wror an epetote:
>
> > Do you know any article that discusses the meaning and etymology of
> > Duhita- Cf my message that duhita means the girl who milks the cow.
>
> The stem is <duhitar->, with a final /r/. It can't have anything to do
> with milkmaids for the following reasons:
>
> (1) The 'milk, press, obtain' root is *dHeugH-, as confirmed by
> Indo-Iranian, Greek and Germanic data. An agent noun derived from it
> would be either root-accented *dHéugH-to:r or hysterokinetic *dHugH-té:r
> (the latter type vanishingly rare in Indo-Iranian). They would have
> given, respectively, <dogdHar-> or +<dugdHar-> in Sanskrit
> (additionally, one would normally expect a feminine agent noun to show a
> femininising *-ih2 > Skt. -i:). We actually have Ved. <dogdHar->
> 'milker' (m.) -- a regular reflex of the predicted agent noun.
>
> (2) Even assuming for the sake of the argument that the root was for
> some unknown reason extended with *-h2 in PIE (or an epenthetic vowel
> independently in Indic and Greek) before the agent suffix, we still
> can't account for the Greek form in this way. Gk. tHugate:r can only
> reflect *dHugV-, certainly not *dHugHV- (which would have given
> +tukHate:r). This shows very clearly that 'daughter' and 'milking' are
> unconnected.
>
> Piotr
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Patrick:
Respectfully, I disagree.
I have found that pre-PIE final *gh, when derived from *gha, can lose
aspiration.
In fact, this happens also to pre-PIE final *bh(a) and *gh(a) as well.
Thus, final pre-PIE *gh(a) appears in PIE as -*gh or -*g.
Piotr is, of course, correct that the word cannot be derived from *dheugh-;
it is, in fact, derived from *dheug(h)-, which does not appear in Pokorny
although we are fortunate to have an English cognate: 'dug', meaning 'animal
teat'.
Greek tHugate:r is very interesting because it appears that Greek derived
'daughter' not from *dheug- but from *dheugh- by treating the aspiration as
a 'laryngeal' -> *dheug-H-, and this account for the -a-.
Obviously, this is difficult to demonstrate conclusively using on PIE data
but, as an indication at least, consider the roots in Pokorny that appears
as *-b(h), *-d(h), and *-g(h); these are finals that in pre-PIE
were -*bha/-*dha/-*gha.
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