From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 57448
Date: 2008-04-16
----- Original Message -----
From: "stlatos" <stlatos@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:14 AM
Subject: [tied] T>T. (was: Not "catching the wind " , or, what ARE we
discussing?)
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:
> I disagree. If there was no sx-, what caused s.- in Khowar s.òr
> 'salty'?
>
> An x (H2) caused dental > retro. in others (khowàr; atsHaareetáa;
> kAmvìri), approximately:
I think the previous message was complicated enough, but some other
points should be made:
> *pYì-pY(a)L-x-tó:n (and weak:)
> *pYì-pY(a)L-x-tn+ 'moth, butterfly' > *pu-p(a)Lx-t.n.+ > *pxu-pL(a)n.t.+
>
> *pxu-pLan.t.+ > *pHuLpaat.+ > *pHaat.uL+ > atsH pHaat.uríi
>
> *pxupL,n.t.+ > *pupuLn.t.+ +ìk dim.
>
> *pupuLn.t.ìk > *puLpun.t.ìk > kh pulmund.ùk
>
> *pupuLn.t.ìk > *pupün.t.Lìk > *pün.t.puLìk > kv prüs^pùlik
Though obviously related words, the exact details of met. aren't
certain. There might actually be more occurring than indicated, such
as the possibility:
*pYì-pY(a)L-x-tn+ 'moth, butterfly' > *pu-p(a)Lx-t.n.+ >
*pxu-pL(a)n.t.+ > *pHu-pL(a)n.t.+
in all with some assim. either pH-p > pH or pH > p-p. The i>u prob.
when pY>p (reason for pY from other lang.).
For
*pxu-pLan.t.+ > *pHuLpaat.+ > *pHaat.uL+ > atsH pHaat.uríi
the +ìk of the others became +iì and mid-low > high-mid (approx.) with
the same falling contour.
*pxupL,n.t.+ > *pupuLn.t.+ +ìk dim.
For
*pupuLn.t.ìk > *pupün.t.Lìk > *pün.t.puLìk > kv prüs^pùlik
late met. is indicated by obv. u-i > ü-i then met of the whole syl.
putting an unusual u-i back in the language. The stage when n.t. >
n.s. probably when before p.
For
*pupuLn.t.ìk > *puLpun.t.ìk > kh pulmund.ùk
assim. u-u-i > u-u-u; assim. p-n > m-n.
> *gWm,bH-x-ro+ 'deep' > *gumbr.0a > *gumbut.a > atsH gut.ùmbo
*gWm,bH-x-ro+
*gumb-x-ra
*gumb-xra
*gumb-xr.a
*gumb-r.0a
*gumb-_r.0a
*gumb-ur.0a
*gumbut.a
gut.ùmbo
A space is added to break up mbr.0 with *gumb_r.0a > *gumbur.0a >
filled in by the preceding V. The voiceless R > stop.
> *pYaL-x-táx 'grey hair(s)', ì 'here' > *patxLáài > *pat.s.l.áài > kh
> l.aypàt.s.i; kAmvìri pAlì
>
> (-i is added to body parts, in kh twice, once after met.)
It's likely that in PIE from the word *pYaL-x-tó+ 'grey, old' came
the derivative neuter noun *pYaL-x-tyó+m with pl. *pYaL-x-tyáx 'grey
hair(s)' which could also mean 'grey/white hair(s)/beard'. This was
formed from +y to indicate location (possibly related to ì 'here').
In Armenian *pYaL-x-tyáx > *faL-x-yo:s > *xWaLyx > aLik`.
In Khowar, etc., final -yo- > -i (as in many) and was extended to
the ending for many body parts (if not directly from ì 'here').
> *pm:,kWttí+s 'fist' > *mm,kWstís > *muNks.t.i^z > atsH mùs.t.i, kv
> *mn.us.t.i > mRü`s^t
From PIE *pemt(kWe) '5' had the der. *pm,tkWtWí+s > *pm:,kWtWtí+s
(or *pm:,kWttí+s) with met. to put the t() together, the loss of t
after m being filled by m (then resyl.).
In In-Ir pm: > mm; C, > uC as usual in Khowar, but Indic:
*mm,kWttí+
*mm,kW_tí+
*mm,kWití+ (a space is filled in by the following V)
*mm,kYití+
*mm,c^ití+
*muc^ití+ (m, > u by P like ubha-, puxDa-)
*muc^utí+ (compare u-i dis/assim like chubuka-, cibuka-, etc.)
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Patrick:
You are putting great effort into these incomprehensible long lists.
If you have noticed, no one ever comments because we have no idea what you
are doing.
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