Re: Volcae and Volsci

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:

>
> At 2:17:25 PM on Tuesday, April 8, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
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> >> At 6:16:46 PM on Monday, April 7, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
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> >> [...]
>
> >>> Afrikaans is the mother tongue of a large black and
> >>> colored population.
>
> >> Obviously.
>
> > Oh, so now it's obvious.
>
> What do you mean 'now'? Of course it's obvious, if one
> knows anything about South Africa.

As you do now, after having read the article on Afrikaans in Wikipedia.

> >>> In that population it started as a pidgin.
>
> >> Evidence?
>
> > It started in that population as any other African
> > European-language based pidgin. There is a lot of
> > literature on the subject. I can't give you any specific
> > reference, I forgot myself where I read it years back.
>
> I'm afraid that I'm not willing to accept your
> interpretation of a years-old memory strictly at face value:

Don't then, go read up on the subject, before you make the next
authoritative statement on something you're ignorant about.

> given your tendency to see creoles under every bed, there's
> too much room for selective memory or inadvertent source
> bias.

Being caught out passing off ignorance as knowledge really eats you, huh?

> And while I've no doubt that there were Dutch-based pidgins
> -- there have, after all, been Afrikaans-based pidgins --

I never heard that before - please enlighten us.

> it's by no means clear to me that modern Afrikaans is
> descended from any of them (rather than influenced by them
> and the other languages involved).

OK.


Torsten